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Nynaeve And Logain Theory

Nynaeve And Logain Theory

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akaioi

I'm not sure Nynaeve is ready for that... she still thinks Moiraine has kidnapped her villagers, and isn't likely to jump in to a One Power battle to help Aes Sedai. I'm speculating something like this... * Massive battle between Aes Sedai, Warders, and Logain supporters. Logain escapes briefly but recaptured. Nynaeve trying to stay out of the way; she dislikes both sides * After battle, Nynaeve starts going around with her healing kit, trying to help the wounded. Starts getting upset because she's running out of time and supplies enough to help everyone * Alanna Sedai tells her, "There's another way" and Heals someone using the One Power * Cue Nynaeve having gigantic moral dilemma * Lan says something terse and wise * Nynaeve tugs braid, then Heals the fuck out of everyone in a 10-mile radius **Edit after ep 4:** Okay, looks like the only prediction that came true was >!the last one!<. But that one came true **in style**...


aimless_archer92

This is cheating - you probably have a family member at Amazon who let you see the episode before the rest of us did.


Jacky_Ragnarovna

you win


Muckman68

This tracks


eskaver

Perhaps. I was thinking that Logain has his followers (assuming those exist) distracting outside to divide the Aes Sedai attention and Nynaeve might realize her potential as Aes Sedai in the fight; meanwhile, Moiraine whips out the Angreal after Logain escapes and attacks those watching his cage. Perhaps Liandrin gentles Logain since she’s the only one we’ve seen do it and seemingly can do so solo.


fatigues_

She can't do it solo, not even to a relatively weak wildling they find in Ep 1. She called upon the others riding with her to link before the first one. That's the part where she says: "*Sisters*". As for her being strong enough to gentle Logain on her own? **Not even close.** Rafe is not doing that in his WoT.


ChocoPuddingCup

Yeah, being able to gentle/still somebody just by yourself would just utterly break the story and plot. Shielding, fine, but severing? Absolutely not.


EulerIdentityCrisis

I would dispute this if book spoilers were allowed.


ChocoPuddingCup

I've read the series multiple times and I've never heard of somebody doing it solo unless I've forgotten it. I think I might know what you're talking about, but I don't think it was deliberate.


MagusUmbraCallidus

Book spoiler: >!Rand stills/severs three Aes Sedai who were attempting to keep him shielded from the One Power at the Battle of Dumai's Wells. Not only does he do this alone, he does it while partially shielded and to three people at once. Clearly, it is possible to sever/still someone by yourself if the power difference is great enough. Not to mention that you can even do it to yourself...!<


ChocoPuddingCup

That's what I thought you were talking about, but even then, that's under very extreme conditions with both sides absolutely pushing at the One Power. I'm talking a simple 1v1 situation.


ThatDudeWithTheCat

>!There are also multiple points where Egwene, Nynaeve, and Elayne straight up say the the weave for shielding and severing is the same, but the weave for severing is "sharper." Its 100% possible to sever someone while on your own, idk why people here think it isn't.!<


ChocoPuddingCup

Then we would have seen it >!right and left in the books. I'm not saying it can't be done, but it feels like it would just ruin every kind of battle with channeling.!<


MagusUmbraCallidus

I wasn't the original commenter, I was just chiming in. >that's under very extreme conditions with both sides absolutely pushing at the One Power. No, it's the opposite. All of the variables should have made it more difficult, not less. So in a normal, 1v1 situation it would be even easier. >!He was partially shielded by 3 Aes Sedai and still was able to sever all three of them. In a 1v1 situtation with any unaided Aes Sedai of that strength, an unshielded Rand should easily be able to sever them. Basically, if they are strong enough to shield them easily, it should only take a bit more effort to sever them.!< >!The 'link' is some physical thing in the body/soul that shields block/muffle but severing/stilling actually cuts. Imagine it like a rope bridge over a ravine. On one side is the channeler and on the other the One Power. When shielding someone, it's like you are standing on the edge of the bridge and are grappling/wrestling them to prevent them from crossing. You are pitting yourself against them so you need to be stronger or more skilled. Severing would be you cutting the bridge while trying to wrestle and hold them off at the same time, so you need to be even stronger than just for shielding. Burning out, is the bridge being burnt away completely (as far as we've seen/read).!< >!The difficulty of shielding or severing is directly related to the strength of the channeler, and the amount of One power they are using. This is why it is easier to shield someone before they grab/link with the Power. The only reason it is tradition for Aes Sedai to use multiple linked women is because men are predisposed to being more powerful channelers (and men can't link without a woman, so it's a fairly effective strategy and precaution).!< TL:DR; All that matters is strength and skill in the One Power. More people means more of both, so they commonly use multiple people, but that doesn't mean that it is required.


NyctoCorax

Aside from the instance above we never actually SEE it happen and even in that instance were just told it happened by accident afterwards. Fact is I don't think we know what's involved in gentling someone or how difficult it actually is to do. It is presumably not something you can normally do in combat though, or everyone would be trying it


allisara

Didn't it happen in >!the Stone!<, along with early adventures in TAR?


fatigues_

Well, the series indicates: [deleted] **A BUNCH OF STUFF INITIALLY BEHIND SPOILER TAGS AND NOW REMOVED BECAUSE SPOILER TAGS AREN'T ALLOWED for reasons that are not at all clear to me.**


concatenate1

This seems like serious spoilers


fatigues_

You are right and I had it tagged - but it appears even tags are not supposed to be here. (Which is annoying AF - why can't we trust spoiler tags on reddit? that's why they are there in the first place.)


concatenate1

Oh, it didn’t show up as tagged for me. Or maybe I accidentally clicked through it without realizing (I’ve read the books so not spoiled)


fatigues_

No, it was well tagged. Even still, the rules of the thread indicate no spoiler tags allowed - so I removed it. Why spoiler tags aren't allowed is unclear to me.


BipolarMosfet

Might be that some flairs allow spoiler tags and some don't? Not sure, but show watchers should be able to make show specific posts without getting spoiled


Serpens77

Between: old reddit, new reddit, desktop reddit, and mobile reddit, not all spoiler tags always display the same (or at all) for all users, so that might part of why they're "not allowed" - precisely **because** they can't be "trusted", unfortunately.


jflb96

People do it in the books. They’re taken back to Tar Valon mostly out of tradition, adherence to due process, and desire to parade the soon-to-be-gentled.


Kwetla

This post contains a couple of book spoilers


Moruitelda

It uses book vernacular, but doesn't reference book events.


Kwetla

It spoils that >!Nyneave can channel, and that Logain is gentled and escapes!<


Moruitelda

The former is already revealed. Hence the two conversations with Egwene about listening to the wind. The latter is not a reference to something from the books. Not the way its discussed here.


Ridan82

Depends. It kinda makes sense. They will use something to force out that her core is that she will not surrender to anyone or anything. The easy fast way to do that is to force her to do something she dont want todo and then make sure someone dies from that. Like her grandmother or something. Wont make much sense but will be fast and easy. As a sidenote was that a camp? It looked more like they meet up with liandrin on her way to tar valon.


Verick808

Does a channeler keep their Talents after being gentled or stilled? If not, this can't work.


Jacky_Ragnarovna

Sorry! I didn’t see the explanation about tagging book spoilers in the title until this post went live.


PreparetobePlaned

OP have you watched it yet?


Jacky_Ragnarovna

I have now…


PreparetobePlaned

You were pretty close


ConstructionHefty716

Sounds like a bad plot line so I'm sure they'll do it that way