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[Rampage Spoilers] Finish to AEW World Title Eliminator Tournament Match - Powerhouse Hobbs vs. Orange Cassidy

[Rampage Spoilers] Finish to AEW World Title Eliminator Tournament Match - Powerhouse Hobbs vs. Orange Cassidy

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godleftmefinished

i get why they wanted orange to win and I like that they tried to tell the story that orange was just barely able to get the win but that finish was just bleh. they tried to protect hobbs but it just didn't work in execution


RanchPonyPizza

We're gonna need an all-night AEW Mousetrap Lock-In.


mrpodo

I kinda wanted Hobbs to win tbh


Barr3lAg3d

I did too. He needs a win and they could have had him work the ribs more and win with a bear hug. It would have been a nice upset. I like OC but I didn’t want this tournament to be chalk either.


Killcode2

Orange wins so much despite his gimmick that people be rooting for the heel.


nobodyspinparticular

The crowd was definitely rooting for Orange.


Killcode2

clearly I was referring to people that want hobbs to win on this thread and not the live crowd


ValgarLienheart

Thought the match was good but OC just being able to pin anyone with barely any offence is just fucking stupid to me


TheeAJPowell

I think the Mousetrap was the wrong choice for the finish, took too long to set-up and looked awkward. A school-boy with OC holding the tights would've been smoother and made more sense.


Cwads16

Love the mousetrap, don’t believe anyone’s kicked out of OC’s, but ya Hobbs just too big to put it on and look good maybe? Idk wasn’t great last night


keithyw

yeah the surprise roll up by itself would've been enough. the referee crap made hobbs just look dumb. hobbs already dominated enough of the match that he looked really good here up to that point.


doesthisnamework1

I’m not a big fan of the mouse trap because it has an elaborate set up and often looks awkward. But here I thought it looked extremely awkward and clunky in such a realistic way that after replaying it a few times I came to love.


Atwillim

I see your point. I was disappointed with whole thing, but after rewatching it doesn't seem that bad


doesthisnamework1

I mean it looks how you would expect it to look if a dude tried to force it on a guy who outweighs him by 100 pounds. In this instance it shouldn’t look smooth.


bigchicago04

I thought it did. It was pretty creative


Garlic_Cheese_Chips

That finish looked like it was at 0.25 speed.


CapnMalcolmReynolds

That’s because Orange Cassidy is nowhere near strong enough to move Hobbs around.


DioHenda

Thanks Regal


MaxTheFew

I kind of wish the ref would have just DQ’d him. Would have felt big since that rarely happens in AEW.


FridgeLeftovers

DQ finish would’ve been WAY better. Hobbs DQ’d for kicking too much ass, OC wins by doing nothing. Fits for both.


Stuckpig__

This finish was awful but losing by DQ because you were too in control of the fight is what everyone shits on WWE for. Granted it would be rare for AEW but still. I don’t know why Hobbs couldn’t have just beat an obviously injured OC, look strong and then you have a young guy moving up. Instead I can see OC losing by a fucking Matt Hardy distraction because that HFO feud will never end.


MyNewAccountIGuess11

Fair, but losing by DQ because you put your hands on the ref is very different


Rayuzx

The problem is that WWE and AEW are in the exact opposites of the spectrum, WWE does it too much, AEW doesn't do it enough.


Stuckpig__

To be fair if AEW wanted a more real sports presentation then they should almost never do a DQ. It is the very few mma or boxing fights that end in a DQ


Rayuzx

And very few mma or boxing fights have 30+ second brawl on outside of the ring, or the use of outside interference.


domingoss

People shit on WWE for doing it because they do it three times every night. But I'd rather having Hobbs win this one anyway.


BigDavesLittleDave

It absolutely should have been a DQ. 1. Hobbs still looks strong compared to the actual finish. 2. It moves OC to the next round to get crushed by Mox, where Mox will get heat for doing so, unlike with Hobbs. 3. It creates a natural door for a Team Taz-Best Friends feud. 4. It puts the refs and the rules over, which AEW needs to do. AEW has overcorrected on WWE's DQ philosophy. I absolutely support not doing it as much as WWE does, but this is the downside. They didn't pull the trigger when they should have, and they make a young talent look who should look strong look a bit of a moron instead.


mrtomjones

He literally picks the ref up forcefully and isnt DQd? Seems nuts


JamesCDiamond

Didn’t strike him or stop him doing his job, as Hobbs *did* break from Cassidy, so maybe not strictly a DQ offence. The referees are all more lenient in AEW, though - not always for the better.


MirkosCloseCrop

that mousetrap wouldn't have looked as bad if there was more of a struggle to get it, but that slow roll over from a light hand on the back of the head/shoulder looks especially awful when the opponent has such a clear size advantage.


dogglesnake

Trick pins definitely need to be legitimized more in the US, but this was a bit wonky


Unlucky_Commercial83

The mouse trap is just awkward to put on beefier dudes. Straight up probably be better to steal the euro cultch from ZSJ for these moments with Orange.


Sacoma_Ligma_Bitch

It just felt so out of rhythm with how the match was going. It was a misfire.


BackgroundSnow4594

Cesaro has been doing them for years. They look great when done right, but when people just put zero effort in to hold someone down it looks so bad. In the andrade PAC match, in the pinning reversal section the final one just resulted them lying in the pin position then both just rolled out of it. Looked very bad.


Kim-Jong_Bundy

Shitty finish, but I'll bite my tongue for now in hopes that they're protecting Hobbs for something cool


flat_earth_pancakes

I’d love something like hangman’s self-esteem story but Hobbs can’t control his temper


Kim-Jong_Bundy

I initially scoffed at this but, after a moment of thinking, I can definitely see the potential there. Give Hobbs a few moments like this until he eventually goes ape-shit on some referees, getting himself suspended or fined or what-have-you in the process. Then he starts blowing up on Ricky & Team Taz until he gets himself kicked out of the group. Maybe he renews his friendship with Brian Cage in that time & they do a Dutch/Dillon-esque tag run or perhaps he takes on an experienced manager to help guide him. Hobbs then finds his center & comes for Team Taz with a vengeance & beats Ricky for the FTW Championship.... Yeah, that could fucking work


Zaneysed

I think my favorite thing of AEW threads of late is people fantasy booking stories that could reasonably happen. Self included here lol


MyNameIs-Anthony

Hobbs has big babyface potential so this seems like a great way to pivot him in that direction.


Atwillim

Will Hobbs achieves self mastery through weekly segments where he does yoga and meditates with Wim Hof


Luciaquenya

It didn't protect him though, it made him look like a bit of an idiot


ACW1129

Does AEW not do disqualifications?


LosSensuel

AEW prides themselves on not doing DQ finished because WWE does them too often. The issue is AEW wrestlers do a lot of things that should result in DQs, but the refs never call for them.


ACW1129

Fair enough, but there's gotta be some middle ground.


NudeMessyEater

Lame finish, wrong decision imo. They really should’ve put Hobbs over here and start building up his stock. OC wouldn’t have suffered any by taking the loss either.


Sqiddd

They already teased Mox vs Orange. No way in fuck was Hobbs winning anyway. Same for 10


lavaspike296

OC is probably how they turn Mox heel. You can probably count on one finger the amount of dudes Mox could body and actually get the heel reaction they want.


victoriabattenberg

This exactly. It's Jungle Boy, Orange, Hangman and maybe some of the Dark Order guys.


cepxico

Shame tho, Hobbs is good


ZawaGames

So is 10. Hobbs will get his time soon though, I assume, he's a little bit older. At least toward the TNT title at some point. Edit: never mind, Hobbs is only a year older. Assumed it was 2-3 for some reason.


Sofaboy90

hobbs still needs some time tho. hes also relatively young, only 30. OC has already main evented PPVs, beaten jericho twice, OC is already "established" while hobbs isnt. if hobbs wins this but loses to moxley anyway, it really doesnt do hobbs a lot of favors. hobbs isnt that over as of yet as well. aew has so much talent, they can only give so many people a spotlight at a certain point in time and right now, its not hobbs time. but it will be in the future for sure, maybe next year, maybe the year after. i think its clear that he has the talent to potentially be a main eventer.


victoriabattenberg

Exactly. He lost to Orange Cassidy and CM Punk. He’s not getting buried, he’s clearly getting built for the future.


Krak2511

Besides just teasing Mox vs Orange last week, the intent here is to get more heat on Mox by having him go against 3 faces in the tournament so he'll get guaranteed heat vs Hangman, and from then on, he'll either be leaning heel or fully turn heel. I wanted them to swerve with a Hobbs win too but it just makes more sense for Mox's story.


UFmoose

Exactly. Dude had injured ribs. Easy to explain.


deltopia

OC is so over at this point, even without the ribs, he could afford to lose to Hobbs. A loss or a win didn't mean much for him; a win would have been huge for Hobbs. Plus a strong match with Mox would have been more impressive for Hobbs...


Sofaboy90

> a win would have been huge for Hobbs. just to lose to mox anyway and be forgotten in the grand scheme of things in this tournament? if they pull the trigger on someone like hobbs, they need to committ imo. and having him win vs oc but lose to mox isnt committing to hobbs.


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NudeMessyEater

Arguably Jungle Boy, but even that was to Adam Cole so idk if you could count that. Before Cody vs Black, MJF vs Jericho, but even that ultimately ended with another match with Jericho getting his victory at the ppv. I agree though, there’s a lot of heels, especially midcard heels, on the verge of breaking through that could stand to be elevated by just having a big win on TV.


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JamesCDiamond

Part of it, I think, is that for a good spell *all* the titles were held by heels - Omega, Miro and the Bucks all needed predominantly face challengers. I’d expect that to change somewhat moving forward, but having heels win clean as a regular thing against face on/above their level shouldn’t be a regular thing - otherwise they’re not really heels. They don’t need to twiddle moustaches or cheat in every single match, but they should be ready and willing to cheat every time.


bootyhunter69420

I think I saw the Mousetrap twice now and I hate it


kodins

It’s a lot harder to do on bigger dudes. It looks awesome when he can really lock it in. But in this case he needed to hook Hobbs’ arm, but it was out of position so he couldn’t grab it and it ended up looking a little awkward. Not as awkward as Jericho full on not knowing how to take it, though.


bootyhunter69420

Yeah, to be fair the one with Jericho was the only other one I have seen


kodins

https://youtu.be/hZ7gH7wbr0o If you go to about 5:50 in this match you’ll see a much better version of it.


Day_Of_The_Dude

its actually really cool when you're not trying to put it on a brick shit house.


BasedMoe

AEW trying to protect everyone is making a lot of people look bad. Hobbs should’ve gone over.


KneeHighMischief

I'm not crazy about that finish. Yeah it protects Hobbs but it also makes him look like a dummy.


ArnAndersonsGlock

Makes him look young and hot headed. That's easy to come back from.


Day_Of_The_Dude

this.


Stuckpig__

This match was a really disappointing start. Not sure what the ending with the ref was meant to do but Hobbs ended up looking like an idiot and the commentary didn’t get it either. I was hoping that this tournament would be a great way to build up Hobbs and newer guys a little. Instead he is booked to lose to an injured OC by a roll up. Not the end of the world for either guy but I don’t get the point of any of it. We would all be shitting on WWE if they came out with that finish. Also, was Hobbs lifting Bryce just a discount version of the Suzuki/Bryce interaction last week? Edit: forgot to mention the bad feeling I have that OC went over to eventually got eliminated due to HFO shenanigans. Because that is the one feud that won’t die.


Flakbeard_down

Hobbs should've won


Rspies

Not with the story AEW are telling with Mox’s slow burn heel turn. Mox beating 2 over baby faces(maybe 3 if he wins the final) in a row will help turn him


ChainGang315

OC shouldn’t beat Hobbs unless he had a weapon IMO


Rspies

Nah OC’s gimmick is he always wins matches that he probably shouldn’t on paper


Day_Of_The_Dude

Have you ever watched wrestling before? Heard the term "underdog." Ever see a Brian Danielson WWE match?


SmoothRide

I seriously thought Hobbs would win when they played up the hurt ribs and it made me think the grudge between Mox and OC would be for after the tournament. Kinda disappointed with the result now.


Day_Of_The_Dude

to go on and lose to Mox in a heatless match that would do nothing for either of them? They just gave him a story and character development of being a hothead getting in his own way. Meanwhile Mox, who is clearly headed for a heel turn, is going to brutalize an injured OC which is going to get them both over. AEW doesn't beat guys just to beat guys.


Midnight_Oil_

AEW protects Orange a little too much.


Red_Mage_Riot

They weren't protecting OC, they were building to Mox's upcoming heel turn. OC's gonna get savaged next round.


Day_Of_The_Dude

this. If they're protecting anyone it would be Hobbs.


Known-Ad7468

The finish was lame. The match was average. I get what they ´re trying to do with Hobbs but that ´s a waste of Cassidy´s talent in the ring. Besides, unpopular opinion Hobbs is not that great to begin with. The guy to push in team Tazz is by far Ricky Starks.


jacobjumba

They tried to protect Hobbs but this came off dumb. I like oc as much as the next guy but can he please be done constantly flirting with the world title picture


kodins

I wouldn’t say he’s constantly flirting with it. He sat at #1 on the rankings for a month and they never did anything about it. Until the ladder match he hadn’t been back in the picture for the title since the match at DoN.


Thirdstar1

Bad finish, but I’m glad OC won simply because OC and Mox is something big. Mox and Hobbs can happen at any time.


Pylons

Finish could've been better executed, but this is the same trajectory Tay Conti took. Squash, competitive match with a shaky finish, then a victory.


Mcfroman

Worst ending AEW has had to a match in awhile, maybe ever.


Day_Of_The_Dude

Someone wasn't watching when the Dark Order attacked the Elite.


Sacoma_Ligma_Bitch

As far as a planned finish goes, that Pac vs. Andrade match with the iPad shot was really bad


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PPVJulian

Not OP but the idea that someone as muscular as PAC would go completely limp after being hit in the back with an iPad one time was sort of ridiculous to me


Sacoma_Ligma_Bitch

Yes. The iPad shot looking terrible also did not help. If Andrade hit a move after the shot, not a huge deal, but for that to be the direct finish, not good.


baconwiches

Let's not forget the time... Where Orange Cassidy beat Hobbs clean with one punch?


Day_Of_The_Dude

that was on Dark before Hobbs was even signed. It was literally just an enhancement match for OC.


baconwiches

Still doesn't take away from how bad of a finish (and entirety!) of a match it was


ryanreigns

DAE hate when WWE does roll ups?


Few_Sir

I hope Hobbs becomes The Guy in AEW, he's fucking beautiful, look at him he's huge, his fade looks pretty good, I might cut my hair like that. I don't know how he is on the mic and stuff. But I like his look and I like his name.


lostmonkey70

That was underwhelming as a finish. I would have preferred a school boy or maybe a 'outta no where' Punch although none of them would have been perfect


Middle_Cyclone

Jesus Christ.


Atwillim

I was watching the show, but this killed my mood and I decided to finish it later when I've had a couple of beers. Hobbs wasn't born yesterday, are we supposed to think he's so dumb that's he's willing to turn his back to Cassidy and spend inordinate ammount of time arguing with referee? Does he not care about being a champion? And then the sloppy rollup was a nail in the coffin and sucked out the energy from it for me. At least crowd popped nicely though.


Weezy-NJPW_Fan

I just love seeing the surprise flashy cradle pins as finishes like, la magistral, and especially the mousetrap.


Garlic_Cheese_Chips

They're good if done well. This wasn't.


etr4807

That couldn’t have been executed properly though, right? There was literally nothing holding Hobbs’ right shoulder down and he looks really dumb for not just slightly lifting it off the mat, surprise roll up or not.


FatherlessCur

Lame finish Would have been better to just have Hobbs take out the ref after more frustration and do a story about him letting his temper get the better of him Roll up didn’t look good or believable at all IMO


cunningstunt6899

I don't understand why AEW books OC to win so much. I get that he is very over, and I'm a big fan of the character. However, he's supposed to be a slacker. Having him consistently win and beat guys who are (kayfabe) taking things far more seriously than him is strange.


BallinBrown23

So so so dumb


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If Hobbs won they wouldn’t be able to turn Mox


Mrtheliger

That felt like an early this year RAW finish, but botchier


cooljammer00

They need to build the mousetrap up as the killer finisher it is. The last time it was used in a high profile match, Jericho took it wrong


MirkosCloseCrop

it looked sloppy here too.


cooljammer00

Yeah it feels like people can't take it right, which means he should probably switch to something else. Otherwise it just looks like everybody falls forward for no reason


wwfmike

Hate the ending. I'm starting to get tired of Cassidy.


dynamicbambino7

I'm not really tired of him, I just think Hobbs should have absolutely won this.


Mawnix

Why?


kazutops

Finish did nothing for either guy. Should have just let OC push Hobbs into Hook or something. Very shaky finish.


RedLightning4Ever

I know they're telling a story with Mox and OC, but man I was really hoping Hobbs would win. He has such untapped potential, he just needs a few good wins. OC is always gonna be over. Hobbs needed this more imo.


Day_Of_The_Dude

Y'all, Hobbs has time on his side and his time will definitely come. It seems pretty clear there is a storyline reason to have an injured OC go against Mox, who is turning heel. Mox beating Hobbs doesn't really accomplish anything other than Hobbs getting a first round win, Mox brutalizing an injured OC does wonders for both of those guys. The ending protected Hobbs, and told it's own story, that he's a monster but he's also young and hotheaded and getting in his own way. Other than some trouble with that mousetrap, this was great.


ucfgavin

This is actually a good point, I didn't really think about using OC to help cap off a Mox turn. Would be great to get OC off TV for a while as well, let him come back fresh...ly squeezed


victoriabattenberg

I read the threads before I watched the match and expected something really different. The pin was weird, but they showed OC beating Hobbs with one move last summer, and then in this match he countered that move several times and looked great. A loss is not a bad thing in AEW.


ahtea

I want to see that pin in slow motion, it looks like Hobbs may have kicked out. Don't fuck with Remsburg.


TheChrisLambert

That’s a really bad ending. I typically love everything AEW does but this doesn’t make anyone look good. Too awkward


Space_Lord_MF

You guys complaining dont realize theyve already setup a Mox/OC thing last week right when Mox killed Yuta.


Decilllion

How would that change that this finish didn't work well?


Space_Lord_MF

Because everyone is complaining Hobbs lost but anyone who pays attention knew it would happen


Decilllion

They are complaining more about how he lost.


TurnoverMission

That finish was very WWE.


Logan_Grimnar_SW

I don't understand why people are downvoting this... I mean the man is just telling the truth. WWE goto finishes are the surprise roll-up and DQs


CertifiedLean

Hobbs should have a rocket strapped to him. Wrong winner.


SnappleFact384

Boo


Sacoma_Ligma_Bitch

Meh. I thought Hobbs looked really good, OC was a little off, match never got into 2nd gear, finish was awful, and I think the wrong man won. I expect a bit more from AEW. It happens, it's just one match, but yeah.


Red_Mage_Riot

The right guy won. They're building to a Mox heel turn, him beating OC in the next round helps with that more than Mox beating Hobbs would. Powerhouse is young, he's gonna be fine.


victoriabattenberg

Yeah, I don't understand the whole loss=buried belief that people have right now. TV time, storylines, and matches with the main guys are just as important.


SiphenPrax

I didn’t like the finish but I was fine with the match for the most part It was meh, and hopefully we don’t get another bad finish


NondescriptMexican

Putting over a gimmick instead of a rising star. Sounds familiar.


somethingshiney

Interesting choice, I thought I'd be Hobbs time to shine. I thought they would protect Cassidy with the whole back injury angle


fvzzfvzzfvzz

Genuinely one of the worst finishes I’ve seen in AEW. That’s a compliment to their usual booking, but this was rough. Hobbs looked stupid as hell.


viperiors

Of the few times I've seen the mousetrap it had NEVER looked good. It's like a slower and more wonky small package


rockmann1997

Hobbs has more room to grow! Should’ve given him the win, it would’ve done more for him. Idk how much farther OC can go with this gimmick.


Red_Mage_Riot

Again, this result is to help build to the Mox heel turn. Hobbs is gonna get his time.


Shrekt115

#HobbsWasRobbed


pjbabs24

Hobbs should have won. Don't care for Orange moving on.


BoyWithHorns

I liked this. It gives Hobbs an out, but also shows him as being a big scary heel without having to dip into the ol' "beat up an official with no repercussions" playbook. And it establishes Remsford as taking little to no shit and using his discretion to let the match continue. Hobbs comes off as scarier than he would by hitting the ref to force a DQ because he's trying to control himself. And it makes the rules and winning/losing matter in kayfabe if Hobbs refrains from getting DQed because he doesn't want to miss the payday. It's different and it worked for me.


dementeddrongo

Deadliest move in sport entertainment, the surprise roll-up, regardless of it's form.


JLR-

Yikes. That was a very WWEish of an ending.


Moon8983

I liked the ending. No idea what the mousetrap is but it looks like he's doing it lazily so it fits his character


DelPreston_

Terrible finish


Stuckpig__

Matt Hardy being shown watching the match gives me the fear that he’ll interfere against OC in the fight with Mox. I cannot explain how much that feud has killed any interest in me seeing Matt Hardy ever again. The guy literally got signed because he had an over gimmick and they just won’t go back to it now that crowds have returned. It’s baffling to me.


LATABOM

That's gotta be the worst AEW finish in months. The psychology was bad, the ref looked like a powerless ass, and OC making the pin was slow as fuck and looked badly fake. Like, Hobbs was visibly and very slowly helping him get into position for the pin. This made everybody involved except Hook look shitty. OC comes off as the guy who the bookers handed an undeserved win to, Hobbs looked like he hated everything about the booking and was made to look like a complete fool as the ending was happening, and again, the ref looked like a total cuck who didn't seem to know what he was doing.


maxinstuff

I wanted Hobbs to win, mostly because he's a beast and I really hate OC's gimmick.


Not_MrInvincible

OC is very over, but I'm starting to sour on him. Hobbs should've won that imo. OC winning doesn't seem credible here especially with that finish.


ucfgavin

I think they should have used the injury to move Hobbs on. It could have helped not make OC look week but elevate Hobbs.


Overall-Honey857

Orange didn't need this win; he doesn't need many wins at all tbh. His gimmick works if he's a straight jobber just as well if he's a scrappy underdog who gets surprise roll up wins


ThyHoopyFrood

The solution to all of this would have been to switch Hobbs and 10 in the tournament.


Cannonfury

way to bury Hobbs by losing to a goof lol


AcneBalls

Lol “bury”.


appellant

I think they have over used OC hes good for comedix type wrestling but seeing him win against big guys like Hobbs.


Senior_Artichoke_687

I feel like Hobbs should’ve won give him a massive win and a huge main event to legitimise him a bit more. Although I love the idea of OC taking the title off kenny very doubtful I know but the aftermath would be hysterical.


viperiors

The disrespect to Hobbs has gotta stop.


Currents1989

Hobbs needed this badly. Bad decision


DrHandBanana

Mad at this can't lie. Mox hurt Yuta. Now we get this smh. I'm salty lol


Jamal2207

I like Orange Cassidy but I’m getting pretty annoyed with Hobbs losing so much lately. He needs to be booked like a monster.


Red_Mage_Riot

So you'd be cool with him winning this, then getting bodied by Mox next round? Because that's what would have happened.


Jamal2207

Yes that’s fine because Moxley (a former AEW World Champion) is more credible than an injured Orange Cassidy.


Red_Mage_Riot

This protects Hobbs. He lost because he was a hothead, and now he doesn't have to get wrecked by the next heel world title challenger, and can go on to do something else to build himself in the meantime. This is a good thing. One loss will not kill this man.


ThisGuyRy420

Good thing AEW doesn't use cheap roll ups from behind like WWE does


DurtyJ1991

Cringe Cassidy does it again. How long do we waste TV time and put this guy over at the expense of legitimate talent? Seeing the lame act ONCE is enough but jesus christ this guy's on every show every single week. Predictable outcome after the staredown with Mox but this is was just poorly done and as usual I go into an Orange Cassidy match expecting less than nothing and still somehow leave disappointed. Please Tony Khan... keep this guy on youtube with the Janela's of the world and use TV time for stuff that isn't complete bullshit.


the_zaza_man

Hobbs was Robbed I hate orange cassidy like he’s a cavity


shishiodun

then his next match against Mox will be good for you


the_zaza_man

Indeed it will. I hope moxley paradigms his ass to Dark Elevation


katatafish

Bryce screwed Hobbs


DMPunk

Better to lose to shenanigans now than to lose to Mox decisively in a week or so


TYLER_PERRY_II

Is that Radiohead how did they get the rights to that


ButterscotchJust4

And they wonder why the ratings keep drop orange Cassidy is a fucking comedy act stop trying to make him a thing


kodins

Yet his main event match on Rampage a few weeks back had higher ratings than the match that opened the show with Danielson. Both in viewers and the demo. You can dislike OC all you want, but you can’t use him as a example of why people may tune out when he consistently brings in views both on tv and online while moving merch like crazy.


dkydd

What a botched finish