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We are trusting Nketiah more than Pepe now?
Hey he actually did alright!
did auba have another invisible match? i couldn’t watch it but assuming some comments why is he still set than? it sounds like the last season of özil where we always said we play with 10 men only when he s on the pitch
i was impressed with elneny's performance
I was not, but Partey was just as poor
in midfild elneny was the only one who didn't loose possession easily and that's what i liked
That is some low standard measure to judge a professional midfielder.
by ur standard whole team shud be replaced then
TAAKE YOOOO TIME WID IT
What ever happened to our cutbacks in the final third? I don't even see that anymore
Lack of Tierney although a cutback did lead to 2nd goal
Why are people so negative, we looked good but made young mistakes. Yes I was extremely frustrated at times, but I see so many positives from this squad. We jus REALLY need a forward that’s hungry
Come on, we did NOT look good. The way we hung back so early in the game with just a 1-0 lead, a goal was coming sooner or later
Ngl today we played horrible. Misplaced passes, horrible during transition, awful attacking plays. And the frustrating part is that we have seen this team play soo well at times.
Even if we get a world class striker, our ball progression in final third is trash (same story at anield as well)
Hopefully at Everton we can get 3 points.
Ode was good in parts till that brainfade.
Back 4 were good tomi was brilliant white should have covered better but okay overall
Partey was off
Elneny too slow on the ball
Esr martinelli good
Martinelli, Tomiyasu, Tavares was pouring his heart out in the field. Mad respect. Others are just under average
Auba is becoming so frustrating to watch. I want him to do well, I really do, but he just seems like a handicap whenever he plays. Feel like we’re playing with 10 men because what has he actually done lately? Also find Partey has been playing very poorly. I can’t fault ‘teta if he does go for a Sambi-AMN midfield.
And.. with the risk of backlash.. I don’t see why people are begging KT to come back in the starting XI and slating Nuno. Yes he is definitely better defensively but he is quite one-dimensional and predictable. He’ll bomb down to the bar line and put a cross in to our striker who can’t header for sh*t. At least Nuno mixes it up a bit - cutting inside, right foot left foot, crosses and shoots. Don’t get me wrong, I do love KT but I don’t fully understand the Nuno hate - he can have bad games but has also had some very good games too! Had we a proper clinical striker, I’d agree to have put KT back in sooner
Why cant we all just agree that KT is good for defensive game and Nuno good for offensive? Isnt that a given?
Yeah for sure. If we play a team who are more likely to sit back and be more cautious going forward (especially their fullbacks), then Nuno would be a good shout. But KT for the more experienced teams
My only beef with Nuno is the occasional brain fart. I still think a healthy KT gets the nod though, combination of experience and defensive stability, similar to Tomiyasu
Oh no doubt about it, he can leave you puzzled with some of his decision making. His first half vs Newcastle was awful, I was surprised he wasn’t hooked at HT but he came out second half a different person. But you’re right, if KT is fit and healthy, he is mostly likely the one to start
I do like that we have a backup that is also a different skillset, gives the boss options. Would be nice to have that at every position.
Good game today lads we should have won
We definitely were under average today
Okay okay let’s lot lose our heads here... we scored 2 at old Trafford which considering our goal scoring record this season is one of our better attacking performances, despite auba’s off day. Clearly the only way is up from here. I still back the boys & Mikel. This was always going to be a tough game but I think we did ourselves proud. Winning at OT has always been incredibly tough for any Arsenal team, let alone the young exciting squad we’re building today.
If Elneny started based off last season’s match then Arteta is a bigger idiot then I thought.
I though El Neny had a decent game… I would of kept him on over Auba, at least El Neny looks like he was trying
El Neny, smh.
Arteta is out of depth man and its so painfuly obvious
He is a great manager for a fanbase that is willing to accept his mediocrity
It’s not Arteta mate it’s the squad. There is no depth in the squad.
The flipping back and forth on here is so stupid man
Soon Elneny will be our longest serving player,this club is a joke.
A game arsenal should never of lost we were the better team stupid penalty cost us dearly.
Then you gotta blame the stupid tackle inside the line. Definitely unfortunate but out defensive game wasnt on point so thats the punishment I guess
We can't afford to lose profit from Partey. Just loan his ass to any club instead of benching him because that €50 mil needs to be recovered.
i jus can’t fathom why we starting nuno when we have KT.
8 games to be played in December?
This again.. I personally don’t rate nuno
Like how people downvoted my comnent on how united got stronger squad, wonder where those people are now after we lost to them without a menager.
Of course they have a better squad lol how is that even up for debate. I think we lost due to inexperience though, both Arteta and the squad.
Clearly to some deluded fans it is.
Yeah they finished second last season, added Ronaldo and Sancho and more
Trust the process lads. Arteta needs time.
Auba & Partey both need to be starting on the bench on Monday. Give me an AMN-Sambi midfield. You can throw Tavares on there as well but that is just because KT is a better, smarter player. White had an awful day and I think 2 goals came from his turnovers, but a u10 squad has better 1st touches than most of our players today. Martinelli felt like the only bright spot today. Saka came on and just wasn't up to game speed so naturally the two late chances fall to him. I'd have rather put Pepe on than Nketiah as well. No point wasting our time on him if he's gonna leave.
Did Tavares give away the ball for Ronaldos first goal?
Tavares touch or clearance was not good
Nah was ESR
it looked to me like tavares' interception he tried to tap it to esr but was just a hair too far in front of him leaving them both out of position and elneny failed to track back fast enough
That's doesn't suit my narrative.
Start Martinelli more at lw and put ESR on am instead of Ode
Ode isnt that bad... He is a good delivery man
Just put martinelli upfront. Can’t be worse than auba right now
Exactly, his unpredictability is an asset.
Did the same thing we did against Liverpool and the back end of the Newcastle game invite unnecessary pressure onto us through our own inability play seemingly simple passes, over cooking dribbles/being too cute in areas where we shouldn’t.
The other glaring elephant in the room is we must get a new striker in January. Auba is a complete shell of his former self. We can’t rely on our back 4 and keeper as a get out of jail free card in games like this. We need the striker to put away the chances we keep squandering this season.
Other than that onto the next.
Aubameyang - suspect,
Partey - suspect,
Odegaard - increasingly suspect,
El-Neny - convicted life no parole
ElNeny, holy hell he needed to step off the pitch
Interesting you let Tavares off the hook
He brings a lot of positives despite the negatives to be fair
His positives are only good if the team we're playing against doesn't have competent attackers. I think he's a good option to sub in late to cause confusion in a game but vs a team whose only good players are their attackers I think starting Tierney would've been better.
I do think that right now Arteta is a bit too focused on creating this Identity of the team where he's trying to show that he has faith in them a bit too much to be fair, and it's costing us points right now, but we'll see where it'll end up I guess.
This is a terrible take. Tavares was not an issue today. We looked good going forward and he kept Rashford quiet for most of the match. You seem to just want to find a reason to say Tierney should’ve been on the pitch today.
What a stupid tackle from Ode.
It's infuriating. Brain dead. I didn't think he was that type of player.
He was very lucky to not give a peno against Newcastle as well
With how braindead Arteta is, it was an even match for the managers
Playing Eddie fucking Nketiah as a super sub, ffs!
I assumed Nketiah got some time to convince him to resign with us
Why tf do we want that deadwood? He scored a brace in his debut and has been a waste ever since. Martinelli is younger and a much better, well rounded striker. Nketiah should have been gone last summer.
No, it's to try to get suitors for him. He's not staying.
Who did you want us to bring on? Pepe would make our attack worse.
Just bring Saka on, maybe Sambi since MF was shit
Saka was on about 12 minutes prior to Nketiah coming on.
I probably would look to phase Nketiah out of the team for Balogun at this point, though.
Lol sorry I meamt Laca, that was dumb. Like for like. Yeah, Nketiah has been given chances and never looked any good, we should be giving time Balogun who we promised time if he resigned. Chasing a game against Utd, though, is not a situation where we should bring in inexperience.
Saka was also on about 12 minutes prior to Lacazette, lol!
The inexperience thing is the explanation for today's game. We had a weakened attack without Saka, and the players who were on the pitch have their own quality; however, none of them are able to carry out Saka's role, which is one of the most important on the pitch (would explain but have to revise, soon). Once we had the goal we sat back and dropped off didn't sustain pressure, due to our inexperience and that cost us. Again, it's a difficult loss given Man United's form; however, I still wouldn't draw too much from this game. Other than the fact that we still have cogs to fill in our team and solve the issues left, over the winter and the summer. And that's okay, taking in to consideration how far we've come with our style to today's game.
Give me Livramento, Abraham (or Osimhen or Vlahovic), Neves (or Tchouameni) and Saliba (or Tapsoba) and we will do well.
Pepe scores the kind of chances Saka got today and I don't see how our attack could have possibly been any worse today
Nah, Pepe is a much worse finisher than Saka. His attempts per goal is a lot higher than Saka's. And if it isn't his finishing, it will be his touch that ruins the chances he gets.
>Pepe is a much worse finisher than Saka
He's really, truly not. His technique and literal number of goals for us is proof of that. Saka has to still work on his finishing
> His attempts per goal
Somehow you've found a way to make Saka's lower goal tally from last year a better thing than Pepe's much higher goal tally. He's hardly played this year so I'm not comparing it against that.
Either way, playing Eddie over Pepe is just wrong imo
Simeone is crying so hard with laughter right now that he is close to dying with dehydration
We’ve got a don that gave the ball away as many times as he gives out shots to blondes at every nightclub he frequents
Partey is too vertical so you need a player alongside him in the pivot to balance it out: a deep-lying playmaker. Xhaka was that guy, but he's injured and we need a new one. Neves, Locatelli and Tchoaumeni were ideal.
Xhaka's closest replacement in this team is Elneny, and that doesn't say much.
Genuinely laughed at the last sentence, fuck me that is depressing
Lol! Gutted we missed out on Locatelli in the summer, as well. Neves or Tchouameni seems to be the next best option. (Tchouameni is probably going elsewhere, too). Also interesting to see where Azeez fits in to the mixture.
Tomiyasu is long-term a centre-back. So Norton-Cruffy from the academy should be our back-up soon and I'm pretty keen on getting Livramento for that spot.
A new RW goes without saying, since Pepe really isn't the one and the evidence has built up over time. Adeyemi seems to be destined for the likes of Barca, Madrid or Bayern. Sulemana would be great, but I'll dream of a Gnabry return.
A new striker. Abraham, Osimhen, Vlahovic, Lautaro and Isak are the five we should pick from (in that order, I'll add).
No way you seriously have Tammy Abraham over Vlahovic?
Tammy, because, if you ever watch him, you'll notice that he's exceptional at the basics: as he has the movement, presence, channel running and athleticism, which he can use to succeed. But, unusually, he has a unique agility to him, that isn't common for forwards of his height. The key thing with his agility is that it means that he still has a some way to go to develop physically: essentially, he has the potential to develop and add more muscle to his physical frame without losing a step - there's two types of muscles which are key to this called Type 1 and Type 2 muscles which you can read up on if you're interested in the physiology behind this. But, with some players, adding muscle means that they lose a step in their play, like Lukaku; for others, they improve and maintain their level: like Antonio and Adama Traore. He has mastered how to play as a striker insid the box and the movements he has to make. Mentally, he is very strong and add more power on to this, I think he's special, to be honest.
I pick Tammy over Osimhen since Tammy has fewer availability issues and the fact that Osimhen has reached his physical peak - otherwise Osimhen ticks all the other boxes too. (Not too sure on someone like Jonathan David, yet, though).
Vlahovic is definitely an option, given how he has already mastered box centre-forward play, with some incredible movement. But Tammy and Osimhen get the edge for me due to how much of a physical powerhouse those two are and can improve themselves to be.
With someone like Isak, I think he is alright and will be an upgrade on Lacazette and outside of the box, I think he will be amazing; however, a striker's main job is to be efficient in the box, where it counts. I think that could limit Isak's goal contributions, to be honest. I see Isak at around 18 goals a season, which is still respectable, but not that massive of an upgrade of Lacazette.
Pretty sloppy defensively. Giving the ball away too often. Lack of creativity upfront, poor finishing. Bad challenge by Odegaard but he isn’t the reason we lost at all. Please start Tierney next game. I don’t understand benching an established, experience player in a must draw/win game. Martinelli had a great game, he just needs to get his clinical finishing back. I completely don’t understand why Eddie was even playing
Keep El-neny out of the starting 11, and you should really start talk about Auba, what does he even provide in our build up play? Nothing, and now, he cant even score. We don't have the most creative midfield so we gotta have a target player. We play better with Lacazette in the team because he provides that.
This is on Arteta, the whole team and staff.
This was united at its shittiest, we should have beaten them. This on hurts
I’m tired of waiting for Partey to shine. Elneny literally carried the midfield today by himself. And it pains me to say it but Auba needs to be regulated to the bench. If we want top 4, I expect us to spend big on a world class striker and a world class midfielder because it’s obvious we don’t have that in our squad at the moment.
Elneny is the one who not progressing the ball and backpass all the time.
Partey play bad, yes, but if he got competent partner there, we can easily win the mid game.
Mariner clearly saw the Tomiyasu incident and didn’t call it back for VAR. Calls back the Fred incident.
It’s just fucking inconsistent. They were basically forced to give the ESR goal bc if they didn’t it would be blatant corruption
Lol. Fred got taken out while he had the ball. Tomi got a bit of a push/pull
At what point do we just terminate Auba + Laca's contracts? We aren't getting top four with them and that's the goal.
Lacazette is probably leaving this summer.
You may have forgotten our first performance this year. We have come along way. Not what I wanted tonight. Some of the inexperience showing. But very excited to see how we develop. Unfortunately I think we may need some stronger strikers. But overall I am hopeful. We don’t have the talent of the other teams yet.
We still need a creative spark in midfield that would play through the middle. Often times, we keep playing out wide instead of the middle.
I really miss the days when we could pass around the ball through the centre before getting the goals
We should start to be a bit closer next season. We just have to follow the good virtue of being patient.
Thanks man, needed a bit of that. Gabi looked great today, as did Tomi for most of it. Strikers new or back in form could make a great difference
How long can you keep this narrative going, you talk as if Arsenal is some wee club from the 5th division
Not really. We are just not top 3 worthy yet. If you have a good team and win that’s great. Eventually you will start replacing players as contracts come up. Sometimes you get worse than what you expected and that unfortunately sticks around for a while. Coaching changes and so on. But being a big club like Arsenal we will be champions again. As long as we move in the right direction. Just like anything in life you make an error, figure out what’s going on, work to fix that error. I have realistic expectations of humans that’s all.
With how we were playing a year or two ago and how massive the gap was between us and the best teams in the league, compared with the scenario now, we are exponentially better at this point and time.
I get the direction Arteta is going where we play as a team but not having a big game player is gonna hurt us in games like this
I think the problem is that he's virtually useless. Continuously skipping past someone only to turn back and then lose it isn't very helpful.
Auba has fallen off a cliff. Thanks for the goals but his current form can't be tolerated for much longer.
Partey have never shown anything to suggest he's a top player.
Ode really shouldn't need a bedding in period. He had 6 months last season to adjust. No excuses. He has to be better.
I thought Arsenal were very very poor again tonight.
What would you change? Players we don't have? Saka was a doubt, Pepe isn't liked by Arteta... Auba is the captain and you're never going to not play your captain. The agenda against Arteta is so strong yet we never looked at the players over Arteta. We gifted United that win with poor passes and the pen, Arteta can't control that
Best comment here. You can't reason with our reactionary fans though.
Auba should go, captain or no. Every played we have over 25 disappoints consistently. How many games will Auba be able to go goalless with a sky high XG before we understand the he simply fucking sucks. He can't break into the box, he cant score from inside the box even when it's easy and he doesn't defend for shit. What the fuck does he do other than "raise spirits"
I hate how we play football, I hate it so much.
I'm an Arteta Outter, the way he approaches matches is so mid table esque. He would be far better off managing Everton than Arsenal.
I know I’m a bit rattled but I’m actually pretty fucking tired of watching Partey.
If you need some sort of perfect never-loses-the-ball partner are you actually any good???? A good midfielder should play well regardless of who he plays with, not the other way around.
Just think of all the people David Silva played with, and he always balled out. I’m just so over it, basically a flop in my book.
And no im not saying Elneny was better, but we know what he is. Speaking of i don’t understand how he’s still a pro, literally look at him run and tell me that’s how a professional athlete moves.
Comparing Partey to someone like Silva isn't really the best comparison.
Elneny was solid at least.
At best I would call him a nonfactor which is not what I want in this team right now
Elneny was doing a Tom Cleverly throughout the game. His passes were sideways and to the back
It's always like this.
Win one game it's all bed full of roses. Lose one game and it's all doom and gloom.
I'm not saying Arteta will win us the UCL. Neither am I saying he is the absolute worst. But do you people always have to be so extreme?
It's laughable how predictable it is.
staying up to 6 in the morning for this shit I swear they better fund my insurance or else
Partey off to AFCON in January thank fuck!!
I wouldn't let Partey get on the coach
Fuck sake so many turnovers, we were really shocking
Our possession game is so shaky. So indecisive. We don't move the ball quick enough. Our off the ball defending is hopeless.
Lost all chance of an equalizer when Nketiah came on. Lad just doesn’t have the spark to play with the big boys
Tbf neither does Auba. I'd rather have brought on Laca at half time. We needed to be able to control the game.
Said it last week - odegaard is worrying.
Arteta's code word for "respecting" the opponent means FEAR
at least west ham are loosing the next game
Arsenal used to be known for their midfields across generations. Shame we have to put up with this shit now.
We should just sign Wishere on a 6 month contract and he could show Partey and Elneny what to do in the middle of the park.
Sit Back FC
We can criticize the massive drop and say he should be benched. But disgrace? Clown? Overreaction no?
Arteta is a coward
Anyone think we're going to finish this season above Spurs? It all seems so grim
Get a grip.
Partey, Auba, Elneny were underwhelming to say the least
Lots of takeaways will probably be that we should have won because of the Maguire penalty, Auba's tap in, Odegaard completely losing his head etc. but I still can't understand this starting 11. Partey is sitting deep with El-Neny in front to provide link up between the defense and attack. El-Neny is genuinely the last player I would ever imagine putting in this role, every time he gets the ball he's facing our goal and he never makes attacking runs or distributes the ball up field - peak Willian recycling. And unlike in previous games Tavares seems to be sitting deep in a back 3 with Gabi/White most of the game while Tomi is the only one making runs up field. Auba/Marinelli were mostly anonymous this game from lack of service.
Yeah it's United so you're playing against the referee but Arteta's tactics are totally incomprehensible to me
I think he just needed to rotate Lokonga. He’s played every match, basically, and we’ve got a lot of matches coming up. Didn’t work out unfortunately. Elneny was so quick to get rid of the ball that he too often put teammates in tough positions and it led to a lot of turnovers in our half.
But this is where you sit back, and look at AMN's last game and say 'yeah, Partey needs to be benched'. He's got to earn his position back now, I think and bar a couple of good runs and passes, he played atrociously
We deserved the win today, VAR should have caught the Tomiyasu challenge and a stupid challenge by Odegaard. United fans as scummy as usual, nothing new there.
I don’t know that we deserved a win but a penalty at least. The elneny starting decision was incorrect, and partey martinelli and auba were mostly anonymous (although I wouldn’t say martinelli was a mistake in the way eleneny was). This loss hasn’t shaken my confidence in the team or Arteta tho to be fair my expectations for this team are not exceedingly high. If I were a neutral I’d say pretty entertaining game tho, so at least there’s that.
Honestly we don't deserve shit. That was an absolutely shit performance by Arsenal. Agree on the Tomiyasu challenge though.
This was an embarrassing game for Arsenal. Only player for me that really tried to win the game was Martinelli and Ramsdale. Wtf did Elneny do on the pitch? Where was Tavares energy and will to get into the field? Aubameyang should not start next game. They gave it away straight after 1-0, and then again directly after 2-2.
Tomiyasu is so good and consistent, too.
Yeah, forgot about him. :) I can't understand why Elneny started this game, there was zero connection with him and the rest of the team.
I dunno but the Egyptian fandom in this sub will never stop sucking him off. He should go back to Turkey
Shit, just shit and now I’m sad
Auba, Elneny and Partey literally destroyed our momentum all game. Odegaard was poor too.
Shouldn’t have done that challenge
Can't wait for Jan when Auba and Partey are forced out of the team. Both have been so poor this year.
Very disappointing man. I expected the Liverpool loss as it's Pool, but this Utd side are poor.
Well we are surely not finishing top-4 but top six is very much on.
I think we go top 4. It’s not a distastrous result but it is an embarrassing and deflating one given that United are just a poor team (while we’re mediocre at least).
Spurs go above us if we they win their game in hand while United are only two points ahead. And both these sides only going to improve in the second half of the season.
We need a new striker auba is washed, other than that everybody except partey in the first half played okay.
Elneny starting said it all.
We might actually improve during AFCON losing Auba, Elneny, and Partey. All dire.
Dunno how Saka can make literally the same positioning mistake twice in a row. Take 3 steps forward and we can score, Jesus Christ. Added nothing to our game, I would have taken Sambi over him.
I don’t know that much about football, but wasn’t Saka like 5 foot further in on the second one
Looked the same to me but I guess I was just stressed out by how shit we were playing. I would've atleast wanted a faster reaction, even a first time shot, anything. He gave everybody ample time to adjust to his position
Yep! He’s too slow to get that shot off, you don’t get that much time in the PL to control and shoot even when you are wide open.
I feel like he has got greedy recently and he just tries to shoot when it’s not on. Mind you it was definitely on for his second chance he was just so slow. Bang a volley mate!
There's only so much Arteta could do here. We need a better midfield & strikers who can score.
>There's only so much Arteta could do here
Our players were static on the field. Static.
Ik this sub is above criticizing the manager for anything but player movement on the field is totally on the manager. Out players receive the ball and just ping it forward ffs. Our inability to deal with a basic press is hilarious. Man Utd aren't even a good pressing team dude. They still dominated us in our half.
P.s - Not benching Elneny is on the manager.
He could’ve started with elneny on the bench. Or at least subbing him out for sambi/amn when we were trailing
I agree, but in fairness how was it ever a good idea not just to start El neny, but play him for 90?
The players have to be under instruction to sit deep when we’re a goal up. We do it every. fucking. time. We shoot ourselves in the foot by giving the opposition time on the ball to build confidence and add pressure instead of keeping the front foot & trying to double our lead. Why the FUCK are we doing this every game?? Fuck off
Stubborn arteta never learns does he. Same thing with auba starting every game
what a shocking selection and performance this was
Our midfield 2 are fucking pathetic they broke up more of our attacks than theirs
Exactly. People are bashing Tavares like he is the problem here. The attempts we put forward today totally skipped Partey and Elneny's feet.
Not to overreact, but I think we’re slightly shit.
Really should have won this
So many fucking passengers as usual. Partey and Aubameyang can stay at AFCON, two fucking clowns
We played some good football in the first half and can see some direction of where we are going. But that 2nd half was shambolic. Partey was outperformed by Elneny, that isn't good enough. Aubameyang needs to be sold and redevelop our approach.
Arteta likes Eddie for no apparent reason
You're an idiot if you still don't see Arteta is tactically inept to be the Arsenal manager.
Arsenal losing at Old Trafford is old news.