By - Glass_of_Pork_Soda
I'm so glad he is turning into the player we all hoped him to be.
Going off how many have actually made it from Hale end I had my doubts, but Saka and Emile have exceeded my expectations in every single way.
It feels so so good to see your own succeed
Generational talent, always had a soft spot for The Smith, I was smashing in goals in fifa 2019, calling him lil De Bruyne, his actually taller then the him in fact.
Could you imagine if Spurs got another fucking great English player originally at Arsenal? It's bad enough they have Kane.
They can have him. Speaks volumes that they're such shit they're greatest ever player, who is a gooner, could never bring them a trophy. Even more so when you consider they needed one of our youth cast-offs to even enter the conversation with Arsenal.
Gooner? Today I learned…
They deny it but there are photos of him celebrating winning the league as a kid
Let kane actually do something before hes called a "great" english player. Man has been vastly overrated
As in, do something for England or in general? And what would you say the bar is?
Yeah, I feel like NT stuff is iffy if you’re expecting trophies or results.
Messi still hasn’t, and probably never will, win the World Cup for Argentina.
Let him do something for anyone that involves actually winning something.
Hes a very good player but he doesnt fit into great category for me, not by any stretch
But again, if he does go to City and win the league would it matter, since they win the league even without him? He's been playing in a Spurs team that's never really challenged for the title (maybe barring 1 year when they came 2nd or something?). But I do agree with the point that his claim to be the greatest English player is ridiculous if he doesn't get any major trophy. Though he's a great striker based on what he's done.
Lets be honest, he should of left ages ago, he kinda fucked himself by believing Levy,
He wanted the nice new bumper contract without the long-term commitment.
Honestly a masterstroke by Levy.
I experienced a particularly strong bout of schadenfreude during his whole transfer debacle.
Would love to see him go his entire career with just the highly-respected, worldwide coveted Audi Cup adorning his trophy cabinet.
Absolutely true, but again, he's the kind of player you'd get behind if he were in your team.
Nope. He's just a cunt.
Yeah, he played himself. And deluded himself. But again, that has nothing to do with his footballing skills. He's just a knobhead (or extremely loyal depending on who you ask).
His a good footballer, just plays for shit sadly.
>Let him do something for anyone that involves actually winning something.
With that attitude Kanu is better than Kane.
Honestly I'd take prime Kanu above Kane.
Whether you like it or not he is a great English player. It would be pointlessly foolish to claim otherwise.
I'd say both rooney and owen were better than kane to be entirely frank.
Why change the subject? Rooney and Owen are irrelevant to the claim I made.
>to be entirely frank.
And now you're throwing in Lampard too?
Because they are the last two great English strikers - I'm not going to compare Kane to someone in a completely different position.
And ya all the shots at frank lol
You're fine with calling ESR a great player, but not Harry Kane? The delusion of this fucking fanbase. It's embarrassing.
Kane is a cunt and plays for a shit team. He also has 1 goal this season. Meanwhile, ESR has scored in his last 3 games.
Ergo, ESR > Kane.
I think ESR has the potential to be a great player, but I dont think hes a great player yet.
Dae sp*rs =💩? 😂
Well what do we think of shit?
Di Marzio - "Smith Rowe won't even pick up the phone to Tottenham"
What if he needs to remind them about how they get battered wherever they go?
TL:DR - Spurs = Shit
Spurs rejected by 15 year old
It is the history of the Tottenham.
No gooner would ever join that tinpot club. So happy it worked out for ESR
Aurier and Sissoko did, and they were welcome to them
They were clearly working from the inside…
Doherty too lol
Tim Sherwood tanked Spurs for a while by doing such a terrible job just because he’s an Arsenal fan.
Haven’t heard a thing about Doherty since he got destroyed by KT and ESR at that derby. Does he get a game at all these days?
Gunner /=/ Gooner
Haha my bad, autocorrect did me bad there
Tbf both of them went to Spurs after publicly twerking for us but we weren't interested.
You can’t really blame someone for advancing their career even if for a rival
Well theres the only person in that club that won a trophy..
George Graham managed the spuds after as well
Sol Campbell ?
He saw the light after being covered in shit
Pat Jennings ?
Didn't Spurs get relegated the year Jennings joined Arsenal? Or the year after?
The end of the season he joined
redknapp was an arsenal fan as a kid lol
Random reminder Sheffield Wednesday won more league titles than tottenham. They're only relevant because of our rivalry and they happen to be a london club.
Even more fun fact, since the year 2000 Barrow AFC have won three times as many trophies as Spurs
And Forrest have more European cups than us. What's your point?
The last time we finished above them in the table was the year Leicester won.
They've recently made it to the champions league final.
They have a brand new stadium and currently have one of the most talented managers in football at the helm.
They might be shit, but they are absolutely "relevant."
In summary: What do you think of shit?
We all love The Smith
TIL there’s a town called Spuds in Florida, US where I’m currently living in. I feel I made the right move.
you mean you are living in the shit ?
Yes he lives in Florida.
Hopefully the fact that him and saka are academy products and are friends will help us keep them if they get to the level where the bigger clubs come calling (or even better we get to the level of some of those clubs, but still)
Slowly becoming one of my fav players....I am fearful that we may not be able to keep them once the top teams come after them. Hopefully we can get back into Europe soon and manage to keep hold of him and Saka
I wonder how he’d say this quote to his mates. Something something shit club
I’ll happily admit I was skeptical of him being able to keep up consistently good performances, but I’m glad to have been wrong so far. I’m totally on board with the young players we’ve brought on board and think we did a great scouting job this past window.
However, I’m still a bit skeptical of the manager, but I will embrace myself being wrong because that means we’ll have a really bright future ahead.
For me he always look slightly injured or hurt and he’s always wincing but I honestly think that’s just a body language thing and I’m just a pessimistic cunt who is always preparing myself for the worst
I mean, you're an arsenal fan, it's not like expecting injuries is inaccurate...
True, I get the same vibe with tierney but he actually seems to be injury prone hopefully ESR is just a body language thing and have his shins out also scares me
Well it came out yesterday that Ernie "Aaron" had a poor diet and water intake up through a year ago which surely contributed to him being a little off the pace.
Was just confused by the Ernie and Aron
Whew the joke isn't funny if you have to explain it... He's been referred to as Ernie by commentators and as Aaron on England national team's website (yesterday).
Fair enough was confused
source my guy. you can't just say things like that without informing people where you got it from
Posted yesterday in this sub, but I get it, not everyone reads everything daily.
Yeah I was also sceptical at first but I have complete faith in ESR now. During the Watford game I was telling my dad, ESR may not be involved much so far, but watch him, he will pop up from nowhere to have a pop at goal. When he actually scored, I was over the moon. His football intelligence makes him difficult to mark. We have a special player on our hands.
He can be what Wilshere should've been but injuries ruined that.
bought his kit last night this just makes me feel even better about that
Emile Smith Rowe, he's one of our Rowe'n!
Fuck I would have been so jelly if Spurs had ESR. I like the dimension in which we are living
Saka needs a new long term deal now. After this season he only has two years left which is uncomfortably little.
Already start plans for his and Bukayo’s statues outside emirates please
Kane is probably so envious
One of our fucking own
Another interesting bit from the same article:
>**The 21-year-old attacking midfielder was not supposed to start against Chelsea that day but the Arsenal manager,** **Mikel Arteta, contending with illness in his squad, turned to him a couple of hours before kick-off.** Arsenal had taken five points from their previous 10 games and Smith Rowe was in as the No 10 for his first Premier League appearance of the season.
I have had so so so many ridiculous arguments on here with people swearing blind that ESR was injured for the first half of last season despite the club website stating him fit for selection from early October after a minor 3-week lay off with a shoulder niggle. For the next 2 months Arsenal went on a relegation run. ESR was fit and scoring/assisting in the EL but not getting a league minute because Willian was playing. Here you have it from the horse's mouth - the \*only\* reason ESR got \*that\* start vs Chelsea was because Mikel's man Willian was quite literally quarantined. ESR then started the next 7 games back-to-back and we won 5 and drew 2. Willian being quarantined saved our season and the managers job. End of.
Whatever your opinion of Arteta is, there is a very big problem on this sub of people distorting facts to fit their agenda. We can't have honest discussions if people simply make things up and/or peddle unsubstantiated myths to absolve the manager. The same goes the other way. However, at least (personally) when I say something like "Saliba and Arteta's relationship seems a bit frayed" I do try to acknowledge that my imagination is doing a lot of the legwork - I don't purport it to be a fact in the way proponents of the ESR phantom injury have. I'm working off bits and pieces and scraps from the rumour mill and I acknowledge that.
ESR was not injured in November/December last season and there has \*never\* been a shred of evidence to support this bizarre myth. Let's put it to bed now and chalk it up to managerial inexperience or teething problems. ESR was firing in the Europa, the team was struggling for creativity, he was the only registered CAM at the club and he did not get a minute until injury forced Arteta's hand - he then saved Arteta's job. That needs to be remembered.
I have made my peace with Arteta and thankfully he seems to be proving me wrong with his results and our performances. Can everyone on here who I have had pointless arguments with about ESR's mythical """injury""" in November/December now stfu and admit the manager got it wrong and quite simply lucked out with Willian being quarantined?
Almost every player has an element of luck to their breakouts. Bellerin would never have been looked at had Debuchy not got injured. Saka wouldn't have been playing for Emery's team had we not had an emergency fullback situation. Martinez wouldn't have come in had Leno been ok etc.
Managers, especially inexperienced ones, are, somewhat understandably, reluctant to take risks on young players. This is for several reasons such as uncertainty that they will carry out the required game plan or not wanting to burn out a young player. This isn't something unique to football either. Think about a manager at work, they will always prefer giving the main tasks to the more experienced team members rather than the new guys. Simply put, as a general rule, experience almost always outweighs natural talent. As a junior, you need to catch a break sometimes to show what you can do. There's even a term for it in the high-tech world where every big company needs a "Startup Miracle", some big element of luck that propels them forwards.
>Almost every player has an element of luck to their breakouts. Bellerin would never have been looked at had Debuchy not got injured. Saka wouldn't have been playing for Emery's team had we not had an emergency fullback situation. Martinez wouldn't have come in had Leno been ok etc.
Of course - which makes it all the more galling when many people on this sub retconned history to make it look like ESR was always part of Arteta's genius master plan despite all evidence to the contrary.
>Managers, especially inexperienced ones, are, somewhat understandably, reluctant to take risks on young players. This is for several reasons such as uncertainty that they will carry out the required game plan or not wanting to burn out a young player. This isn't something unique to football either. Think about a manager at work, they will always prefer giving the main tasks to the more experienced team members rather than the new guys. Simply put, as a general rule, experience almost always outweighs natural talent. As a junior, you need to catch a break sometimes to show what you can do. There's even a term for it in the high-tech world where every big company needs a "Startup Miracle", some big element of luck that propels them forwards.
To what extent one wishes to criticise or absolve Arteta on the point of ESR's lack of game time before the Willian quarantine is up to the individual. To claim that ESR was sidelined in the league before Willian was quarantined because ESR was injured is the bit I take the most issue with because it is simply counter-factual.
I agree, there are many reasons why Arteta made what turned out to be the wrong decision in that instance. I put it mainly down to a lack of experience as you point out above. FWIW, however, we differ in that \*for me\* that lack of experience is a reason we should criticise Arteta's appointment rather than use it as an excuse whenever he makes a mistake. I also think that these kind of decisions cast a poor light on Arteta's treatment of other players, like Saliba, who was sidelined last season in favour of giving Mustafi minutes. It calls into question Arteta's treatment of some of our young players and maybe his ability to see what they can add to the team.
I think this is a bit different to the Bellerin / Saka / Martinez situations in that the team was struggling badly in the league and we did not have any midfield creativity. Everyone could see what our problem was. There wasn't really anyone in ESR's position who should have been keeping him out in the same way there was for Martinez, Bellerin and Saka. Willian was, is and always has been a traditional right winger. ESR was our only registered CAM. He was scoring and assisting with every start in the EL. He was making a strong case to start in a struggling Arsenal side and quite simply the manager did not give him a chance until his hand was forced. That concerns me and I hope it is a mistake Arteta learns from.
You spend your time shittalking Arteta for the most part on here, and we are supposed to be believe you've made your peace with Arteta. You finally got a point correct that he was infact not injured, meanwhile you've been wrong about most things like other Arteta out people. My main problem with the Arteta out crowd is your way of downplaying the amount of work that needed to be done at this club.
>You spend your time shittalking Arteta for the most part on here, and we are supposed to be believe you've made your peace with Arteta.
Typical attack ad-hominem I deal with on daily basis on this site just for sharing my opinion.
I spend my time expressing my opinion. My opinion is not beholden to an agenda, unlike yours clearly is. My opinion is based on evidence and can change as new evidence becomes available, yours can't.
However, in this case the ESR phantom injury was not a matter of opinion; it was a matter of fact.
Whether or not I make peace with Arteta has nothing to do with the truth of this simple fact: ESR was not injured. People like you lied about ESR's injury... repeatedly... for months.... shouting other users down whenever they asked you for evidence of the myth you pedalled. I have \*countless\* examples of these conversations that I can bring up.
Now, instead of gracefully accepting that you were *always* wrong, you again launch a pointless ad-hominem diatribe in some misguided attempt to protect Arteta from his perceived detractors. How sad you are.
I don't really give a toss what you think about what I think about Arteta. It is not even relevant to this point and I don't have to like him or make peace with him for it to be true that ESR's phantom injury was total fucking BS pushed by dishonest, shameless, nakedly partisan liars such as yourself.
>You finally got a point correct that he was infact not injured, meanwhile you've been wrong about most things like other Arteta out people.
Wrong. I was always correct on this point... there's no "finally" about it. Anyone with a brain and a shred of honesty could see that ESR was not injured. The people, like you, pedalling the myth that he was injured will basically say anything to defend their pro-Arteta agenda from the perceived "Arteta out people". This isn't some sad little dick measuring contest, as much as you seem to think it is. It's simply a question of correct and incorrect.
The matter of ESR's injury should not have been up for debate. It was a matter of public record and only the managers propagandists would claim otherwise. He was literally listed as fit for selection on the club website and was playing football matches for months in the EL before he got a league minute. The people still claiming he was "injured" when I presented them with evidence to the contrary were honestly some of the most openly dishonest people I have ever encountered. Nothing they say should be taken seriously because they will literally say \*anything\* to advance their agenda. They were asking others to deny the evidence of their own eyes in order to protect Arteta from any criticism that could be leveled at him. It was like the Ministry of Truth.
>My main problem with the Arteta out crowd is your way of downplaying the amount of work that needed to be done at this club.
This is just a completely random aside and a total strawman. I have \*never once\* said that Arteta did not have a big job on his hands, I just questioned (and will continue to question) whether he is the right man for that big job until he conclusively wins me back over. That is my prerogative as a fan and I won't be moderated by the likes of you.
Things like completely neglecting to pick ESR in the league \*for months\* until a fortunate injury forced his hand are completely legitimate miss-steps to question when it comes to the managers decision making. I'm sorry if this truism upsets you but I quite frankly could not give less of a toss. The only reason this particular point became such a big deal is that so so so many people pedalled a completely made up story about ESR being injured and rigidly stuck to that story despite having ZERO evidence to support their claims.
I know it is hard for your smooth brain to comprehend, but it is possible to acknowledge that a lot of work needed to be done at the club \*and\* question whether Arteta is the right man for that job based on some of the miss-steps he has obviously made, particularly last season. These aren't mutually exclusive positions so stop desperately trying to force every conversation into a conclusively "Arteta in" vs "Arteta out" lense. People like you are the problem.
>Typical attack ad-hominem I deal with on daily basis on this site just for sharing my opinion
What I said was in no way an ad hominem, but sure play the victim. You were right about *one* thing and you build it up to be this huge thing where the other part needs to admit their wrongs, like they've crossed a line. So much dishonest reporting and arguements are being made on a constant basis on this sub, but this is thing you have a huge problem with because it fits your agenda?
I'm btw waiting in anticipation for your next Saliba smooth brain take
>What I said was in no way an ad hominem
Not playing the victim, just stating a fact. Let me help:
>Ad-hominem: (Attacking the person): This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument.
This is what you said:
>You spend your time shittalking Arteta for the most part on here, and we are supposed to be believe you've made your peace with Arteta. You finally got a point correct that he was infact not injured, meanwhile you've been wrong about most things like other Arteta out people.
>You were right about one thing and you build it up to be this huge thing where the other part needs to admit their wrongs, like they've crossed a line.
Learn the difference between objective and subjective truth.
This "one thing" with ESR was not a matter of opinion - it was a matter of fact. It was objective truth. Just because people like you will just say anything to protect Arteta (even if it means denying things reported on [arsenal.com](https://arsenal.com) and denying people the evidence of their own eyes) that doesn't turn an objective truth about ESR's injury into a subjective dispute. He was not injured and there was never any evidence he was injured. You peddled a lie to support your agenda. End of.
The other thing you mention, like the handling Saliba, are matters of opinion. So there is actually no "right" or "wrong" answer. They are \*entirely subjective\* takes.
Stop trying to conflate these two things.
>I'm btw waiting in anticipation for your next Saliba smooth brain take
Saying that we should have given Saliba a chance and maybe should have spent £50m elsewhere in the squad is only controversial on this sub because hysterical morons like you perceive it as some grievous slight on the honor of your lord and saviour Mikel Arteta. It's the same reason you were able to \*literally\* deny reality in order to pedal a myth that ESR was injured.
I'm not the one with the agenda here, you are.
You really are a special type of person for typing out all that. Let me explain since you weren't able to pick it up in my original comment, I was questioning your character which isn't a fallacy btw. I was questioning why you would make such a big deal out if this now, like the Arteta out squad isn't the worst offender on this sub.
You also seem to assume a lot about me for some reason.
Dude.... tbh I have no actual fucking clue who you even are. I just assumed you were some Arteta acolyte jerk-off who I interacted with on the ESR lie because you were doubling down on the ESR nonsense instead owning up to your bullshit like a man. You guys are ten-a-penny. There are plenty of you that chime in on all my comments with "huur durr you said x about y so you're wrong about this - you just hate Arteta" etc just like you did with the irrelevant Saliba shite. I'm used to it.
You all have identical takes. I could literally write down your opinion on any given topic without asking you. You're all the same whiney dude.
BTW, most of what I was just "typing out" were copy-paste quotes of your nonsense along with a definition of ad-hominem to help you. If you take that out it's like 2 paragraphs of text. Big whoop.
Lol at "questioning my character"... I have no fucking clue who you are or who you think you are or why you think anyone gives a shit about your online character assessments.
I'm "making a big deal" out of it (one original comment) because it is one of many examples of the hive-mind on this sub attempting to alter reality. It's just the one I had to deal with the most and it was pretty annoying tbh.
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his dads a tottenham fan but he supports arsenal coz of his brother, I'm just trying to imagine his dad when he scored against tottenham
So were some of the Tottenham players as well. I think Son wanted to join either Man Utd or Arsenal but Tottenham was the only PL club that gave him the offer first so he took it, unfortunately.
This is the kind of players we need.