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Amid the outbreak of the coronavirus, the US President proposed a nearly 19 percent budget cut to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention—the agency primarily tasked with preparing for and responding to such outbreaks and other serious health threats.

Amid the outbreak of the coronavirus, the US President proposed a nearly 19 percent budget cut to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention—the agency primarily tasked with preparing for and responding to such outbreaks and other serious health threats.

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tPTBNL

”Health care is vital to all of us some of the time, but public health is vital to all of us all of the time.”—Former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop


Gemmabeta

I once heard someone describe public health as "a multi-million dollar endeavor to make sure that ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAPPENS." Of course, with such a job, idiots think that because everything is going smoothly, then the officers who make sure of that is obviously not doing anything.


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The CDC is like any IT job. Nobody realizes you even work here until the shit hits the fan.


gargravarr2112

Everything is working properly: "what do we pay you guys for?" Everything is on fire: "WHAT DO WE PAY YOU GUYS FOR?!"


anthropicprincipal

Many corporate gigs expect you to be your own help desk nowadays. I remember 20 years ago when IT professionals were all in-house and well paid. Now you are lucky if you can even call someone in India.


gargravarr2112

I worked in-house support in my last job. I was always looking for warning signs that my job was going to be outsourced. They fired me with minimal warning and outsourced my job anyway.


anthropicprincipal

It is like the 1990's when all the secretaries and executive assistants disappeared because of word processors. Even middle management used to have assistants to write out memos for them so they didn't sound like idiots. Now you get emails written at the 7th grade level from people making 6 figures a year. Sometimes the cost is worth it.


PurpleNuggets

I routinely get emails from an EVP that i have to stop and get help to try and parse out. Horrible, ambitious word choice that mean opposite things. Half sentences with no subject. Simultaneously isn't answering my questions and asking new ones. It takes 6 emails to read between the lines and get the point across. Oh and literally zero formatting or letter heads whatsoever. It's reaaallly bad. I would rather deal with a team of offshore guys using Google translate than this. She's a basic white woman. The replies are like they are from a stroke victim typing using T9


AdmiralAucka

>Now you get emails written at the 7th grade level from people making 6 figures a year. You're lucky if the level is that high. When I was teaching at a local college I would get emails from department chairs, other faculty, and administrators that were nearly unintelligible. Except from the english department, anyway.


QuiteAffable

I remember well my dad dictating documents into a recorder for a secretary to transcribe. He even experimented with early voice recognition for word processing.


COMPUTER1313

"We need these maintenance stuff to be done." "Not in the budget, defer them to the next quarter." "Well we need to at least do these couple of maintenance items as they're the most concerning ones." "Did I stutter?" *Machinery breaks and brings the production line to a halt* Management and incompetent engineers that were promoted to management: *Surprised Pikachu face* Sometime ago, we had a decades old relays and mechanical timers based industrial control system catch on fire. Long after they had killed off a project to reverse engineer it to understand it because no one really knew how it worked anymore. Then we discovered the electrical drawings were damaged or missing. And then we got yelled at 3 weeks later for making the quarterly report look bad because we couldn't repair/replace the system in less than a week. EDIT: There was one time where the reason why maintenance was deferred was because the department's budget was "in the red". Then something broke and that pushed the budget further into the red, so then next quarter they tried deferring maintenance again to make up for the losses.


gargravarr2112

And those who asked for the vital maintenance are fired for causing downtime.


COMPUTER1313

"You should have warned us more!"


the_flying_stone

This. Is severely underrated.


gargravarr2112

Not my line, I swiped it from somewhere else on here, but it sums up IT perfectly.


Hurfes

I can relate to this on so many levels just working in a repair position for a GM car factory. 😂😂😂


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I was about to bring Y2K in. "Nothing happened!". Yeah, me and a million other people made sure of that.


lspencer2011

As an IT Specialist in Healthcare (specifically Health Informatics) this hit home home hard with me.


DisplayNerd

Then we have another epidemic and the doctors have to work overtime to "fix" us


viperex

It's like the Supreme Court saying you can strike down voter rights laws because voters' rights are not being trampled. No shit, idiot! They're not being trampled because the law you want to repeal is what was preventing the trampling (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻


paul-arized

Ditto with the environmental protection laws and regulations. And agency.


Vertigo5345

Or banking regulation. Rules gotta to change to better fit society, but sometimes they are there for a reason... People either don't fully understand the reason why they were created or choose to ignore it for short-term profits.


koshgeo

"Deregulate everything and let the market decide! What could go wrong?" "Uh, hello, we changed the regulations in the 19th and early 20th century for a *reason*."


Uberzwerg

The antivaxxer logic.


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Sounds a lot like socialism to me. /s


93devil

Wait, let me drive on my socialist road and get a drink of socialist water before sending my kid to the socialist school. I hope my socialist power doesn’t go off.


[deleted]

My man! This guy gets it!


Nachotacosbitch

How is the idea of a greater social community hard to understand. Everybody has better access to everything


theresonly151

The GOP is all about socialism, for the 1% and big business. The rest of us get bootstraps.


Spookyrabbit

If you can afford bootstraps


Roguespiffy

Join the military! Go risk death for a chance at bootstraps. /s


drfunkles1986

Unless you have bone spurs. Those are just the worst


TinyLilRobot

That's a weird way to spell COMMUNISM


Hakunamatata_420

‘So thats why we’re cutting the budget!’ Drumpf probably 🤷🏼‍♂️


tewnewt

Death, Famine, War, and Conquest. None were as efficient as Indifference.


memeboi3

That’s a great line


rwinger3

Is it a quote from somewhere?


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unzaftig

Yep, it's very Good-Omens-esque.


MightyMorph

“It is a melancholy truth, that a suppression of the press could not more compleatly deprive the nation of its benefits, than is done by its abandoned prostitution to falsehood. Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle.” — Jefferson - Letter to John Norvell, 14 June 1807 __ "Censorship no longer works by hiding information from you; censorship works by flooding you with immense amounts of misinformation, of irrelevant information, of funny cat videos, until you're just unable to focus." — Yuval Noah Harari __ "There's so much active misinformation and it's packaged very well and it looks the same when you see it on a Facebook page or you turn on your television. If everything seems to be the same and no distinctions are made, then we won't know what to protect." — President Obama __ "When the representative body have lost the confidence of their constituents, when they have notoriously made sale of their most valuable rights, when they have assumed to themselves powers which the people never put into their hands, then indeed their continuing in office becomes dangerous." — Thomas Jefferson ________ edit: Well it seems the authoritarian roadmap has reached its final destination; https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/barr-takes-control-legal-matters-interest-trump-including-stone-sentencing-n1135231 > "Truth matters. Truth still matters. In our institutions of self-governance, committee hearings, courts of law ... truth still matters. You don't look at it and you don't say 'so what.'” — Michael Marando (one of the prosecutors who resigned from the Roger Stone case) A final thought from myself. History will look back at this moment and ask "Why didnt anyone stop it", in the same way as we look back at our past and ask ourselves over the countless moments of inaction/apathy from our predecessors.


morgan_greywolf

Your second quote comes to us from Yuval Noah Harari. He is an Israeli historian. He wrote a sweeping history of the entire human race a few years ago.


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Sapiens - is the title


gelinrefira

Resolveing the problem of disinformation through sheer amount of false information bombing is surely one of the great challenges of out generation.


Natuurschoonheid

I keep hearing about Terry pratchett, and I'm getting closer and closer to buying one the books


DisposableWageSlave

Definitely worthwhile, in my opinion.


ieatconfusedfish

Where do you start? Like, he seems amazing I just don't know what to read first


SobeyHarker

Guards! Guards! Is as good a starting point as any.


Khaldara

This, the entire city watch/Commander Vimes set of books is a great entry point, and they’re some of his best. The Death (as in the reaper personification) books are great standalones as well. [Or you can consult the great little chart that some folks put together that separates them by their rough chronological order and cast of recurring characters](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Discworld_Reading_Order_Guide_3.0.jpg)


DisposableWageSlave

If you're looking for somewhere to start, there are some online reading guides, like this one: https://www.lspace.org/books/reading-order-guides/the-discworld-reading-order-guide-20.jpg I personally am partial to the Death and Watch lines, but my introduction to his work was Pyramids.


TheEyeDontLie

Pyramids is a good one, although kind of strange for the first few chapters. My favorites are the Rincewind stories,but they're all good. For starters, start with the first Terry Pratchett you find. Then, because you're now addicted, you can worry about what order to read the dozens of other discworld books. The key is getting addicted. It doesn't matter which book really, they're all good even if some are better than others. Most can be read as stand-alone novels.


Prospec7

Love the Rincewind stories, Cohen is great


truthb0mb3

The Color of Magic Though Small Gods is my favorite.


Mattya929

Reddit introduced me to him. I’m glad they did.


sciguyCO

[GNU Terry Pratchett ](http://www.gnuterrypratchett.com)


not_a_moogle

Sounds more like a line from Idiocracy


z3npr0fess0r

The Waking Life (movie)


Darkhex78

Sounds like something from darkest dungeon


TigerSalesman

We have the best diseases. Believe me.


johnnycobbler

Many, many people are getting them. I'm hearing a lot of talk about the best people getting the best diseases.


ovidsec

The big, strong diseases come up to me, tears streaming; "Thankyou, sir! Thankyou!".


Cky_vick

Other countries think they had the coronavirus first, Fake. News.


hekatonmoo

Women come up to me all the time and say that under Obama we had diseases that were socialist. Not very good diseases at all. We have the best diseases now they won’t give you cancer like a wind turbine does but still the best.


spartan116chris

Ignorance is worse than indifference if you ask me. The more I read everyday about how Trump is dismantling the American government the angrier I get and yet I cant convince my boss or coworkers that he is literally not "for" them, he is not for the working man, the downtrodden. Hes a rich con man who is blatantly abusing his power to enrich himself and his allies while corrupting the justice system to keep his allies out of trouble and his enemies under threat of investigation/litigation. My boss and co-workers are simply too ignorant to comprehend it. All they care about is the simple fact that Trump wont take their guns and he will fight to keep immigrants out/poor. My idiotic, proudly gun-toting boss literally brings target practice sheets with Hilary Clinton's face printed on them to work. He flipped out when I put his stupid shitty MAGA hat in a paper bag so I didnt have to look at it when I walked into his office. Fuck. I fucking hate being a Texan sometimes.


definefoment

Don’t let go the fight. You’re only support among the resistance (which is the majority). We need you to stay the course.


[deleted]

So they are racist? It’s ok. You can say it. This is a safe space


spartan116chris

Dude. I'm of Mexican descent. They're of mexican descent. They're fucking Mexicans that think they're better than immigrant Mexicans because they were lucky to be born here already. The level of their ignorance is just unfathomable


[deleted]

🤷. There is also a large amount of the Asian population who believe they are white too


SixGunRebel

Thank you for not saying Pestilence.


[deleted]

What's wrong with Pestilence over Conquest? Also, aren't war and conquest the same thing? Genuine questions. **EDIT:** found it myself. "And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer." Is the exact verse. I'll make the explanation as short as possible. But the meaning of conquest is pretty debated. Some take it literally (the horseman, some human figure, or idk, the anti-christ literally going on a conquest, or Jesus himself coming to conquer the earth). Others see it figuratively as a religious conquest, where humanity stops believing in God and a new religion or ideology spreads. And the origin of Pestilence? Another verse "They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine, plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth." Due to this verse, some people again see it figuratively, but as in a plague "conquering" as it slowly spreads and infects everyone it can. This interpretation, though recent, ended up becoming the most popular one that people thought made the most sense, and people started referring to the horseman as Pestilence. Sources...? Me paraphrasing Wikipedia


CyanConatus

He named 3 of the 4 horseman of the Apocalypse. Pestilence would've been forth. And the world is doomed. Lol


Hoesbutnodoor

Pretty sure Pestilence retired, and was replaced with Pollution.


mt03red

Corruption, pollution, obesity and indifference?


HalfSoul30

The Four Horsefellas


CySnark

The planet had a problem... and uh, we tried to do everything we could. Well, you know what I mean. It's gone, and we couldn't do nothing about it.


truthb0mb3

Generation X defeated pestilence.


SixGunRebel

Pestilence isn’t Conquest, and Pestilence is a horse named in the otherwise awesome song Four Horsemen by Metallica.


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fungussa

That's an understatement.


PoopIsAlwaysSunny

I like this line, but I think Apathy would work better than Indifference. It would fit the cadence better Also I think Pestilence is usually the 4th horse, not Conquest. It would also fit the topic better


colma00

Pestilence is more pop culture and sounds cooler, but conquest/the conqueror is “correct” in that it’s one of the four described in the Bible.


elainegeorge

The cuts make perfect sense if his goal is to reduce the population.


krashlia

For some reason, as I read this, I imagined the cheery Japanese opening for One Piece playing in the background.


RockstarAgent

That's the 5th horseman of the apocalypse no one remembers.


NeuronGalaxy

No goals achieved trump mode


MauiKehaulani

I mean, why fund science when we can just fight viruses with [Warm April Weather](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/02/10/trump-rallies-new-hampshire-eve-democratic-primary/4716223002/)??!! >The president continued to suggest the Coronavirus outbreak, which has claimed 1,000 lives as of Monday, will be gone by April. He told the crowd that “in theory" once the weather warms up Coronavirus, which he referred to as "the virus," will "miraculously" go away. Trump did not offer any scientific explanation to back up his claim. Like Hurricane Dorian and *Sharpiegate* or the California Wildfires and Raking, the anti-Scientific nonsense coming from the highest office in the land is outright dangerous...especially when considering that his strongest supporters believe what comes out of his mouth over reputable news sources. [According to a recent CBS News/YouGov Poll ](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/03/the-2020-disinformation-war/605530/) just 11 percent of strong Trump supporters trust the mainstream media—**while 91 percent turn to the president for “accurate information”** Edit: Added Link


InvaderDem

>[According to a recent CBS News/YouGov Poll ](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/03/the-2020-disinformation-war/605530/)just 11 percent of strong Trump supporters trust the mainstream media—**while 91 percent turn to the president for “accurate information”** That's legitimately horrifying.


Cloudmarshal_

https://culteducation.com/warningsigns.html **Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.** Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader. Followers feel they can never be "good enough". The group/leader is always right. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible. **Ten warning signs regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader.** Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration. Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens. Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution". Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior. Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement. Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests. A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor. Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader. Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful. Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.


LightningProd12

That literally sounds like someone took the gist of Trump and his followers and made it into lists (even though the lists been around for much longer). Scary.


Excal2

These criteria pre-date trump. This isn't a new playbook, and complicit institutions arent new either. They're just new to Americans.


ReverendDizzle

Not new. That playbook fits many mainstream religious sects in the US—the reason people adjust to Trump so quickly is because they’ve been training for it their whole lives.


Excal2

That's unsettling.


ReverendDizzle

It really is. But it’s not at all surprising to see people brow beaten by an evangelical upbringing line up to be brow beaten by a populist political cult leader.


CrumbsAndCarrots

They need someone like him. Freedom and democracy is actually scary to most religious groups.


gnostic-gnome

New to Americans politically and on a large-scale. Remember, Jonestown was a thing that definitely happened. And many more examples. It's just terrifying to see the process nation-wide instead of a handful of vulnerable individuals forming a niche group that only gains attention when it's basically too late.


stonedsilly420

This also sounds very relatable to the Indian PM, Narendra Modi.


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joe847802

They sound like idiots. Or more accurate, brainwashed. Trusting only what their president says despite being proven wrong.


NarwhalsAndBacon

It's a cult which they are very susceptible to because many of them are also unquestioning religious types.


whosthedoginthisscen

Fine. Let them spend the next 2 months sneezing on each other and not washing their hands.


joe847802

Nah man. Then that put everyone at risk.


sagitta_luminus

Let’s not split hairs. They’re brainwashed idiots.


MetalPF

As a conservative, that is terrifying. The amount of blind trust people are placing in him is antithetical to everything conservatives used to stand for. He could probably take over healthcare, dump everyone into a single-payer plan under an insurance company he owns, and republicans would praise it because he, "isn't a politician." (I hope I didn't give him any ideas, I was just throwing out something that a lot of republicans would riot over if a democratic president ever did.)


gdsmithtx

*Everything* he has done is something that a lot of republicans would riot over if a democratic president ever did it.


MetalPF

Can't argue that. My mom shared something by Ivanka on facebook about how the impeachment trial was a modern day witch hunt(can't remember, maybe it just mentioned her) and all I could think was how they thought Michelle Obama was too involved and needed to "stay out of politics, she wasn't the one elected," for pushing healthy eating.


DragonToothGarden

How did your mom feel about Nancy Reagan's nationwide and rather pricey campaign of "Just Say No to Drugs!"


gelinrefira

Ironic, isn't it. I don't think there is actual conservativism left in America.


Thehobomugger

That was a good read and genuinely the scariest thing I've ever read even though i feel like everyone is becoming aware of these strategies i had never realised how deep or long its been running.


dringleman

"Folks we have to speed up global warming or this virus will stop the wall from being built. I mean it's not sending the best viruses."


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I think its just called inevitable now


heyieatjunk

I think he said that because SARS in 2003 went away when the weather warmed up but the new coronavirus is far more contagious than SARS... It is also spreading in warm places like Singapore and we don’t really not what it’s capable of. The longest dormant period so far is 24 days and a lot of patients don’t show symptoms.


[deleted]

This is from the dude who suggested nuking a hurricane. Very stable genius indeed.


JedeOff

Sorry, what?


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https://www.axios.com/trump-nuclear-bombs-hurricanes-97231f38-2394-4120-a3fa-8c9cf0e3f51c.html


GershBinglander

We have cases here in Australia, where we are in the middle of a pretty fucking hot summer. Mild autumnal weather won't save you.


gnostic-gnome

Oh yeah, I forgot. The seasons in the US and AUS are swapped. April is spring for us, but it's your autumn, yes?


GershBinglander

Yeah, our seasons are 6 months different from the northern hemisphere. Also, the US calls autumn "fall". So when a show, game, movie, ect says "comming this fall" there's a bit of maths and language translation involved in working out how long I have to get hyped. As a kid I remember thinking songs singing about hot August nights, cold November rain, and so on were weird. Also why Christmas was all snow and cold. Later, after holidaying in the northern hemisphere I notice that the sun moved backwards across the sky, in Australia the sun moved from east to west, but you have to face north to see it, so it appears to go anti-clockwise. Clockwise got its name because the first clocks spun the same way that the sun goes in the northern hemisphere. Lastly, the moon looked upside down to me.


gnostic-gnome

Fucking *whack.* I'm glad I commented.


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>According to a recent CBS News/YouGov Poll just 11 percent of strong Trump supporters trust the mainstream media—while 91 percent turn to the president for “accurate information” it's not hyperbole to call this shit a cult normally you just ignore cults, but what are you supposed to do when the cult leader is president of the US?


Qxf4

[https://imgur.com/gallery/8rCXys6](https://imgur.com/gallery/8rCXys6)


ZachMN

He’s not operating by himself, remember. He is the leader of the Republican Party, and has their absolute blessing and fealty. “Warm April weather” is now official policy of the Republican Party.


Vicious_Ocelot

No wonder he won the election when his fanbase is 102% of itself...


fearthecooper

There may be some overlap


Private_HughMan

> According to a recent CBS News/YouGov Poll just 11 percent of strong Trump supporters trust the mainstream media—while 91 percent turn to the president for “accurate information” That is one of the scariest sentences I have seen all day. Resident Evil 7 didn’t leave me feeling this worried.


bigsticksoftspeaker

Hmmmm. Less prevention, more disease, and more profits for hospitals and insurance companies.


falubiii

Insurance companies do not want people getting sick.


CyberDroid

Aaand if there is an outbreak that affects thousands people at one, I think the hospitals would quickly become overloaded, just like in Wuhan.


_Bumble_Bee_Tuna_

I work in a hospital. Its miserable for all departments during an influx of sick patients. Granted im working the floors and not cashing in the profits


RIPUSA

Close. Insurance companies in America don’t want people dying, you can’t profit off them then. They have no problem throwing hospital staff under the bus in the middle of an large scale emergency. I’ve experienced dire and inhumane working conditions before as a result.


gelinrefira

The best customer for a healthcare insurer is someone who pays in all his life and then dying immediately in a car crash before his onset cancer is diagnosed.


WesbroBaptstBarNGril

It really won't effect him until the Chinese workers who produce all the MAGA gear become ill and can't meet demand.


kachna

It was blackmail when he said "Leroy Jenkins"


darsparx

No matter what you think of him, you've got to realize this is incredibly dangerous. Cutting any funding to the CDC, let alone healthcare in general(since we know he's tried and is in the crowd of poor people are lazy people which isn't true). This is the same man that the senate has basically said "fuck it, he can do what he wants" which is backwards as fuck. They protest against things becoming communist and facist but then let their own man do the very thing they hate(not to mention equating socialism to communism which are ***NOT*** the same thing). It's scary as hell that he seems hellbent on damaging the very systems that ensure the future of the country and no one wants to do a damn thing because he's got the support of his party.


Epicritical

The rich aren’t going to get richer by themselves.


theFarginBastage

Yes they will. They just get even more richer with help.


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When Trump does "helpful" things like destroying the economy with tariffs and exacerbating labor shortages, the rich (and everyone else) might do better without the "help."


iampuh

In my opinion most of the people don't know the difference between communism and socialism...they have a vague idea but this is where it stops most of the times.


2DeadMoose

Most people don’t have a working definition for either of those words so they’re easily interchangeable for their primary use as a conservative cuss word.


JaiBlade

I hate this because that makes it pointless to discuss. Not that it’s hopeless just it’s a huge barrier.


-donut

That's really the point of most of the conservative political speak. If you can stop people having serious conversations about important topics by villifying a group and then labeling any dissenters with it, well... That's a goal as far as they're concerned. Stopping any kind of meaningful discussion is an effective strategy to keep people in a bubble.


amurmann

I think the cold war ruined American political discourse. In (Western) Germany I learned the difference between socialism and communism in school. On top of that, what Americans call socialism is neither.


gnostic-gnome

What Americans call socialism is just making sure the base needs of your population is met and they're not unnecessarily dying


_AquaFractalyne_

I don't understand who would benefit from cutting CDC funding. Usually budget cuts benefit some kind of capitalist interest, but I'm stumped on this one.


TheNoxx

Usually gutting a government agency that does important work means they'll say "Hey this government agency can't handle their job anymore!", and privatize the work and give a fat government contract to one of their billionaire friend's corporations.


ortrademe

Known as "starving the beast".


Hekantonkheries

AKA "the government is inefficient and cant be trusted! Now elect me to prove it!"


GuyLeRauch

The Republican agenda in a nutshell.


MrManslaughter

More likely than not, this decision will affect his voting base more than anyone else, ironically.


chrisandfriends

What the fuck? This is one of those leveling tools where in the rich are in just as much danger. Please stop treating the needy like a problem and stop some things from perpetuating.


plopseven

They’re not though. The rich could go out and drop $20K on a year’s worth of steak dinners for their bunkers right now. Sure their stocks and assets would crumble if this reaches pandemic status in their respective countries, but their access to cash, options for low-interest loans and asset liquidity will ensure they go into whatever this becomes far better off than your average paycheck-to-paycheck individual. Always follow the money.


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plopseven

I’ve played Fallout enough to realize that 80% of people either die or become raiders in the end.


SaltyTurdLicker

And the 0.01% become the main character right?


plopseven

Sure, but it’s hard to play through that whole game without dying once and we don’t even have Stimpacks yet.


UncookedMarsupial

Rivet City or bust!


CTBthanatos

If any of them try hiding in their bunkers I'll just take a shovel and bury the doors, effectively condemning the spoiled whiny rich people inside to being permanently trapped underground until they die out.


czmax

Sorry bud. Us rich folks are already planning out [how to ensure our armed guards are loyal](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/23/tech-industry-wealth-futurism-transhumanism-singularity) and happy to dig us out.


CTBthanatos

Plans that seem to be based on unrealistic pipe dreams. Armed guards can't dig anyone out if they're inside and sealed in too, and if they're outside with everyone else they're either dead from the aforementioned viral outbreaks or environmental catastrophe (also, they wouldn't be the only people armed, so there's that) And they can't be "loyal" since money would already have lost it's value at that point and even with all previously mentioned factors aside, they would literally have more reason to kill the rich people in the bunker that made themselves the most attractive targets by having the most shit to take.


MrSpindles

It's pretty much a standard trope in apocalyptic fiction, the rich guy shut out of his hideyhole by the staff. When it all comes down (and it will, at some point, probably not in our lifetimes, but at some point) money will be meaningless and the power structures of the old world will be little more than memories.


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GargamelLeNoir

I bet his fans can't wait to get to get sick to trigger the libs.


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Doesnt matter. If I've learned anything from playing Plague, in 26 days this virus should spread to everywhere in the world except Greenland.


SillySearcher

I’m not sure how to explain this to everyone but here it goes: Donald Trump doesn’t give a flying fuck about anyone but himself. People keep being shocked by this, but it’s absolutely true.


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ReadABookFriend

Disgusting. The trump administration has been an absolute disaster. Thankfully it's all coming to an end later this year!


Zahille7

>Hopefully But I'm with, it's been a plague on our country for too long. We need to do something about it and fast.


laz10

Every policy Trump has can be traced to his core belief that more people should be poor and poor people should be killed


warpcoil

Interesting how this belongs in futurology as it may be foreshadowing of things to come in the land of the free. Oh well, if we die from a virus spread from china then so be it. This life is pointless anyway.


densohax

Americans are funny.. You buy a bunch of guns and can't realize why you have them in the first place..


Mercurial8

The gun people voted OrangeMan.


densohax

I'm pretty sure that there are not only hollow heads with guns. More than 50% didn't vote for Cheetos.


whtml

50% didn't vote at all. Their apathy makes them guilty of the current situation.


Tricky-Hunter

Wait, half of the population of US didn't even vote? Seriously wtf


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Only 19.47% of the US population actually voted for him (20.36% for Hillary). Pretty crazy.


Tricky-Hunter

Well, that's pretty depressing.


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Tricky-Hunter

That's really fucking absurd, how is voting day not a holiday or on a sunday The way its made just make it seems like its just an unimportant thing. "No biggie, its not like we are choosing the main representative for the country during the next four years, who can absolutely fuck your life if he wants to, right?"


CharlesMabe

We don't have holidays (not really, anyway). We are overworked to shit.


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BlahKVBlah

...and because of our absolutely insane voting system, your votes have meant and accomplished exactly as much as if you had never even bothered. A ballot that consisted of a ranked list of candidates, tallied by some method of instant run-off, would mean that if your first choices were too obscure to get much traction, then one of your lower ranked choices would actually get your vote in the end. But then Trump could have never won the last election by turning Clinton into a boogeyman that split the less-insanely-Conservative voters. Hell, there would be little need for primaries, so Bernie would have had a shot at winning. Hell, the 2020 election would have any one of the Democratic candidates running without support of that party and still have a good shot at the presidency, like Yang. It would be wild just how little power the main two parties would have to force their agendas on election day, hence why we are stuck with the crap system we have.


ThePoolManCometh

People will try to act like it’s just incompetence or oversight, but this is very subtle voter suppression. Just think, who can afford to miss a day, or hell even a few hours, of work to go out and vote: poor people (lots of PoC) or rich people (lots of white people)? I hate being the cynical guy who views every tiny little thing as, “the government is taking advantage of us” but this one is hard to look past.


askaboutmy____

I live in Florida, what many consider "backwards" and I can track my mail in early vote from the day they receive it, and I get that in August. The entire state can vote this way, there is no excuse, at least not in this state anyways.


veRGe1421

it's like that every time political apathy is real here. it was even higher than 50% in my state (TX), sadly


Youguysaredummmm

I'm a gun person I didn't vote OrangeMan. There's dozens of us!


DiggSucksNow

Sure they can. They have guns to protect themselves in case the government tries to take their guns.


Tired4dounuts

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.


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Mujokan

Figure he's going to be backing down on going to China for stage 2 of the "deal".


truthb0mb3

The country is going bankrupt. If we do not get on the ball and do something about this then there isn't going to be a CDC at all.


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That's weird. I wasn't aware a president could submit proposals through congress.


Xtorting

More money doesn't make services automatically better. CA should have the best schooling in the world due to how much funding is within the program. Reducing a budget that has been growing to wasteful limits over decades is a good thing. Firing the nonproductive services and aspects are critical for every agency to survive. If you cannot take a 19% reduction after years of pumping, then following a government in a capitalist society might not be for you. I hear Venezuela, Greece, Spain, and China are very nice for people who just want to watch money be dumped into services and hope things get better. Without ever worrying about a 19% reduction. Of course when the foreign collectors are not forcing them to reduce. Anyone who doesn't want this reduction is not being realistic. Every agency in the American government can take a 19% reduction. If you expected funds to grow forever in a state program, then capitalism is not on your mind. A 19% reduction is so normal is it hilarious people are finding it to be a problem. More money into a program does not make services automatically better and cheaper. If anything, a higher budget leads to higher administration overhead. Which leads to more red tape and long wait time for previous services. There is a point when hiring more people leads to less productive output. You can count with one hand how many state agencies have been closed after being a failure. How else can a state program close down their failures without reducing the budget? There is no other way besides closing it down all together. There is no way to throw more money at a program and know for sure it gets better. Because the people who made the services bad in the first place are still there collecting a paycheck. Only this time you gave them a 19% raise hoping they can fix it. You think the program would get better after giving a raise to the person who is supposed to change? Yea, and this is how shit never changes. We are supporting government employees like football superstars. Where we can never reduce their salary or limit their playtime. Even if they have a DUI, we still trust them with a billion dollar market. There is no fight to reduce the paycheck of the bad state employees. Give the raises to the productive employees. The best way to find who is really productive in anything is if you have a budget cut. They are much more important and realistic than just some made up theory about spreading a virus more after a normal budget cut. Trying to connect the Corovirus outbreak with something Trump has talked about for over four years is pretty damn laughable. The two are not connected at all. Trump did not reduce their funds hoping the thing would spread. This is equivalent to being pissed off at the bartender for cutting someone off after explaining for over four hours that they might have had enough. And then be shocked when they are cut off. They cannot blame themselves, because they are perfect, so they have to make something up about how reducing their consumption will lead to everyone else having a bad time. When they are not connected whatsoever. Unless the person who is drunk is going to act nasty. Which is what we are seeing. Kicking and screaming from the employees who thought they were untouchable. Reducing funds from large state programs is nothing new to Trump. Apparently though, the coronavirus is the real reason why they are reducing funds. To spread it further. Duh. Nothing to do with the words Trump has spoken about for over four years. Just this recent outbreak. Man, you guys are desperate to hate the guy for anything. Even for fulfilling his campaign promises during an outbreak. That takes balls. Did you guys forget that Trump is cutting fund across the board?


gw2master

This includes big cuts to the center on emerging and zoonotic infectious diseases: exactly what this novel corona virus is. Republicans working for the common good, as usual.


vikes2323

President doesn’t set the budget, I hate these headlines


mobrocket

While the article is misleading, I ask Trump supporters out there If the economy is so strong per Trump Why is the deficit higher than under Obama in 2016 And why would we need to cut programs??? Stronger economy should mean more tax revenue Explain please


TheOneWhoKnowsNothin

I am still amazed that the American people keep taking this without any protests and strikes.


radiantwave

No one seems to understand this president... He pulls money from critical agencies so that when something bad happens he can swoop in and " be the hero" he wants chaos... He creates chaos intentionally so that he can make himself the savior. This is 100% his MO, dude can give two ducks about who gets hurt just so long as he comes out of the crisis as the one looking like he solved the problem. Even if he is the one who quietly created the problem in the first place.


TetrisCoach

Rich people can afford the best doctors so why pay to treat the masses? That’s the Republican way.


cronedog

Everyone wants lower taxes, no one wants reduced services.


initialddriver

consider this: the CDC IS NOT the only entity that handles disease prevention and care in fact its not even remotely qualified to do so. there is one other agency the US could and SHOULD rely more on...The US Army... the Fort Detrick Facility is the most well funded lab in the US that studies all known pathogens both natural and manufactured and has the budget to quickly react to any threat. also the CDC is NOT a 100% non-biased organization perfect example when the "vaping crisis" hit america earlier LAST year they falsely blamed E-cigs as the culprit and lobbied hard to remove them...turns out they were wrong... another example is the bird flu panic they said a vaccine was decades away but turns out fort meade had already been working a vaccine thru and it was effective... LASTLY when the ebola outbreak occurred in africa the CDC failed to identify the pathogen properly and thus potentially exposed the US to an outbreak from lack of warning \[iirc they said dengue fever first then it was the WHO that identified it as ebola\].