By - CSyoey
I bought a Sherman Abrams because of the issues i heard of. Saw the fixes, saw they were relatively easy to mitigate with some soldering, sealant, and bearings and thought if anything went wrong, i could definitely perform the repairs myself. Beyond the issues, i saw a solid machine best suited for seated riding, which is exactly what I intend to do when I finish learning to ride it standing up.
Find what you want at the price point you accept, and go for it. The grass will always be greener on the newer models, but if you accept what you have, and accept the price paid, you'll be able to ignore the greener grass while having fun with what you got.
Upgrades are also not difficult to swing in this arena, so the specs of what you buy don't necessarily need to stay that way.
In my case, my options for my second wheel were constrained by cost. I could've bought an S22 or Sherman S or whatever, but there's no way I could justify buying 2 scooters and an EUC, then getting a $4000+ EUC as well, all within a single year.
My recommendation is to not overthink this. You already have a number of viable options around that price-point or cheaper, unless you're thinking of "replacing" your car with an EUC and riding car-like-speeds on stroads alongside cars and trucks where you pretty much only have a few options (and this is a terrible idea for so many reasons). The new EUCs coming out are going to have teething flaws, and I doubt even the new V13 is going to really be able to "flow" with car traffic, so I'd recommend looking at good, tested options available right now and just pull the trigger.
Getting two wheels is recommended for reasons outlined by others. Get a motorbike if you want to be blending in with fast-moving car traffic with a smaller, cheaper vehicle. The Sherman-S is shaping up to be excellent, don't agonize over things like "100 volt versus 126 volt", and Veteran/LeaperKim don't spam the market with dozens of models and rarely misfire.
This is the reason why my local shop enforces 1000eur deposit on preorders and does not give it back if the customer cancels. Gotway especially is being really ass about this especially since they have done what 8 new wheels this year alone?
I wouldn't imagine buying a new model of car in its first couple years, before the kinks are ironed out. In a couple years, it'll be clearer whether its a lemon ('troubled model') from reports of expensive problems.
I approach every larger purchase the same way. Let someone more intrepid/foolhardy make the mistakes, so I don't have to. By the time I bought a used 16X, I knew exactly what problems others had with it (few, mainly dust/water ingression), how much replacement parts cost, and how many companies offered tires in the right size. I watched with not a little bemusement electrical problems with 100V EUCs and corrosion problems with 'hollow axles' at the time.
Get something. No matter what you get, you'll find something great about it and something unsatisfying. You'll be better informed the next time.
I have the V5F … I’m a beginner rider … now I can travel up to 5 miles one-way no problem at 12 to 14 mph … nice faster bicycle pace … may not be as comfortable as bigger EUC; but I can easily push a shopping cart and shop with it at Walmart … easy to walk around with it and reach high/low on the grocery shelves … lightweight enough to put in car with ease … so don’t count out the V5F and comparable wheels
there will always be a new thing. Doesn't make my ride any less fun
If I have $5k, I'll spend $3.5k-4k for bigger faster one and $1-1.5k for the smaller backup (which is also short commute friendly)
The withdrawal from not being able to ride when the main wheel have to be fix sucked.
The bad thing is that, the smaller ones currently available right now have things that bothers me, so I didn't get any yet.
Have a clear idea of what you want from your wheel and how it fits into your environment. No one wheel really does it all, and what is best wheel in some category may be less than ideal in another.
There is one fairly obvious split in what we'd probably agree is Road vs Path wheels. A high speed high range like a Veteran Sherman would be overkill on bike paths, while a nimble and inoffensive wheel like a V8 would be out of its depth on a road duking it out with cars.
I have a One S2, and an MSX. As much as I love the idea of my MSX, the reality is the One is getting far more use since EUCs are illegal where I live, and it's strictly enforced...
Having said all that, I think the Veteran Sherman is probably closest to being an Only Wheel if you have the low speed control nailed. You could make a fast wheel go slow, but a slow wheel can only go so fast.
It's kinda like phones. You buy one now knowing the better model is less than 12months away.....
For there being only 4 major players, it is crazy how many models there are. Those 4 companies are in a technology & power war. Every new innovation brings the risk of design flaws & breakdowns. In such a new, rapidly changing market those of us that must have the latest & greatest are ginny pigs. That's OK if you are blowing money on a toy. If you are going to rely on it, I question preordering one that has not been released yet. There are enough choices out there now to fill most any one's nich needs. If you wait for the latest & greatest it will be a few years before the newest EUC is nothing more than last years model with makeup & lipstick. Aren't you anxious to ride? Decide what you want an EUC for, pick the biggest & baddest one that does what you want AND is in the public's hands now.
For my 1st EUC I knew I wanted to ride mainly off-road, ability to ride on streets at 35-45 mph, good range, quality, a few other things, and cutting edge yet field tested tech. For me it was Kingsong S22, 2nd batch. I have had it a month and it is already obsolete by 2 generations. I think someday I will want a smaller, lighter, maybe second-hand wheel for low speed dancing & stunts, but for now I am having too much fun.
Pull the trigger, now, this is too much fun to wait for. By the time you get bored with your wheel, if you ever do, there will be newbies lined up to buy it.
Obviously you're new to this EUC game. Or otherwise, you wouldnt question the veracity of having a spare or multiple wheels. Besides the fact that its fun to multiples, its also a need. Cos these things aren't like your Gramps Oldsmobile, meaning they malfunction & besides the diy aspect, parts aren't a coupla days away either.
So if one is anyhow an enthusiast, a spare wheel is practically a must. Dont get yaself all worked up on the latest greatest bestest tho it does seem EUCs are going that direction. Get the wheel/s you want & ride instead of reading & lusting.
The Master is now available for 2.7k & its a beast of wheel, both in torque & speed. If you like it, then think a spare wheel ala T4 or even a Mten4. That's what I'd do if it was me. Wait...thats exactly what I did cept I sub the Master for the 1.7 steal of a deal on a EXNht while waiting for the T & ment4 to show.
Okay those are good points, thanks for the insight
I have MCM5 v2, 1000€. I have about 2000km on it in 2 years and enjoyed it. But I overgrew it, it sure is fine for commuting to work and doing groceries, but it left me wanting more for just riding it for the fun of it.
It's Black Friday now and I came across a stupid deal: Begode Master for 2550€ on [Voltride.com](https://Voltride.com)! (sorry US bros)
Short story short: Instant buy. Too bad it's winter and so I really have to wait for spring to properly try it out...
I was already weighing around options for a bigger wheel, but I really didn't want to pay more than 3000€ for a wheel, no matter how good. And even still, I probably wouldn't have bought the Master if it wasn't so heavily discounted. I'd say wait for a good deal. Otherwise, I think you have to compromise.
after having my wheel fail less than a week, im thinking these "deals" were too good to be true. they are selling off the bottom of the barrel stuff that's been sitting around and that's why they're even offering less warranty time.
I will soon have 3 wheels when my Sherman S comes in and if I had to choose one it would be the Sherman S. Now that I've developed more skills and experience riding, it's the one wheel that checks all the boxes for me. Previously my V11 did, and still does to an extent, but I've since outgrown it and the Sherman seems like the next logical step for me.
I have too many wheels(10). But if I were to only have one, then it would be something in the middle based on battery size. 2200-3600wh. Weight would be 75-100lb. Suspension is super nice, but not needed and really depends on the terrain most ridden on. I know I've just described almost every new wheel. But price would be a good deciding factor. I'd personally settle with a master and a 10 amp charger because I can charge at the limits of a wall outlet and a 2 hour 0-98% charge time. Plenty of speed, power, torque for days and mediocre suspension. Decent trolley handle. Not too big. And a big plus is that it's on sale.
Only buy used and keep selling them.
>Only buy used
That option's depending on availability. I'm more or less a pioneer where I'm at. 😒
Not to mention that used prices are generally not that low compared to buying new. My 2c
Agreed, I’ve checked for used ones around Seattle and Spokane, wa and there’s nothing. A couple super beginner ones like the inmotion V5F, but that’s it
Two months with the +-450watt Airwheel X3 is what I did for learning. Making the most of this small diameter wheel with little power was a good learning experience. This was all forest trails.
The limited batterytime and the low speed became more and more a limitation. Lucky I found a used Inmotion V8f. Slightly bigger tire, much more power and still not too heavy. Perfect. The range is at least 20km offroad, about 2 hours or driving.
For me this is enough. More speed would mean more protection. More battery is more weight and I don't need it. More motor power would also be more weight. Also, a small motor has a snappy response at start. So it's nimble and agile. I also like driving with minimal protection. So speed is not what I'm after. I go only as fast as I'm willing to fall at any given moment.
The way I see it there are not really 'better' wheels. Just wheels with totally different specs. Now if they put a 2000 watt motor, suspension and a lot of wh in a light wheel, that would be something to be drooling over.
Here in NL it's illegal to drive it. So investing too much would be a gamble. Any day they can take your wheel...
I keep the Airwheel so if anyone wants to learn it they can wreck that cheap thing instead of the V8f:)
I think about replacing the Airwheel for a Ninebot One. Those are cheap and reliable. For driving on the street with the risk of confiscation that would be a good choice. In terms of safety, build quality etc I think the Ninebots are the best euc's ever made. I saw a teardown of there e-skates and it's all top notch engineering. All built to high standards.
I ordered begode t4 and should be at my door nov29.. I was thinking about in motion v11 but t4 is newer and on almost all the aspect better
I bought a second hand InMotion V10 and learned to ride with it. It's worn battery means I can't reliably get more than 22km out of it, but that still makes it handy for short rides around town.
I know what you mean with your OP. I've been saving up for the Veteran Sherman (Max) and was sure of my choice for almost 2 years, now that the Sherman S has been released, I'm probably going for that one.
Will involve having to save up a bit longer, but hard to go for a non suspension wheel at this point.
I'll then use that wheel almost non stop, but keeping my V10 in case I'd need something lighter for a shorter ride (and being ablet to carry it up stairs more comfortably).
Well, the benefit of buying a wheel now is that you can learn how to ride it and gain skills.
I am a carless commuter first and a hobbyist second so I went with the eWheels Nikola+ ($2280, with the lower capacity, high discharge batteries and free spike pedals) earlier this year for my first wheel and then I recently bought the Nikola AR+ because of the Black Friday special ($1900) so now I have two very similar EUC's (fairly durable) to get me well into next year, which I can learn how to repair as they share the same parts.
If I had to choose between them, I would choose the eWheels Nikola+ because it is lighter and feels more powerful but that's also because I usually only need to only do about 10 hilly city miles as range is less important to me. The AR+ has significantly more range and more voltage sag.
For me it’s easy: can’t afford a new one haha
But you just need to know what do you NEED about a wheel and what are extras.
And if you still need to learn how to ride, just get a used one, beat the shit out of it while you learn and after that decide on a wheel. You can keep that wheel as a lender or a teaching wheel.
Now for the questions you should be making and that if you post we could maybe help you decide:
- what do you want to do with your wheel? Racing? Light off road? Heavy off road? Commute every day? Tricks?
- How far do you need to travel? If you are going to commute in it, what is the range that you need?
- Do you mind doing some light maintenance every month? If you really hate doing things as simple as checking the air in some suspension systems, you should avoid wheels that need to be maintained.
- Is the weight of the wheel something important to you? Do you need to go up stairs a lot? Lift your wheel to put it in the trunk of your car? Get in buses or trains with your wheel?
- Do you plan to ride in the rain or in very wet conditions?
Those are the basic questions IMO. Fell free to answer them.
V12HT for me because I use it for everything from commuting to riding trails and bike park stuff. The Nikola would be a close 2nd. The only downside is the speed headroom is diminished to 27-30mph under 50% charge. So for longer rides it lacks compared to a Sherman Max or similar. Also for slow speed maneuvering or tricks it’s a little heavy. I think the v12 is a wheel that falls right in the middle of everything.
Pick and wheel that covers most of what you foresee doing and pull the trigger. If you’re waiting for the next best wheel you won’t ever start riding.
It's really like any tech, you just need to decide on your budget, range, performance etc and then pull the trigger. Same as phones or PC components, if you wait a week and there will be another new one announced.
If it helps, I'm still riding an MSP HT because I can't afford a newer wheel and it still does everything I need.
New wheels come with their own hazards anyway. First batch wheels always seem to have problems.