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‘We don’t care anymore’: Bangkok bar reopens to sell newly legalized drug

‘We don’t care anymore’: Bangkok bar reopens to sell newly legalized drug

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NocturntsII

It amuses me that, in their infinite wisdom, the Thai powers that be have legalized a substance that has been scientifically proven to be highly physically addictive and has time and time again has manifested significant and unpleasant withdrawal symptoms while marijuana is still illegal. Well done boys.


RecommendationOk6469

Don't know if you ever eat Kratom. I did and I now know it's like a cup of tea . There is no physical or mental addictive . It really don't make you high in any way. Totally different to effects of grass or other strong drugs. In Germany and other European states it's legal and if there would be more side effects like drugs have it sure would be not !


NocturntsII

Bullshit. >There is no physical or mental addictive .


RecommendationOk6469

That's what I say .


prospero021

This is a society that takes school children on field trips to burn drugs. What more do you expect?


newaccount47

Cannabis should be fully legal, but so should kratom. Kratom is non-toxic and not espeically dangerous. If used in moderation there is essentially zero safety concern.


mjl777

I thought that it was legal? ​ [https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2169411/kratom-now-listed-as-legal-herb](https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2169411/kratom-now-listed-as-legal-herb)


newaccount47

It is legal. I was reiterating why it is and should continue to be legal.


Several-Bus3432

I agree with the sentiment regarding pot, but the comment regarding kratom is as uninformed as all those reefer madness types who think weed is evil. Kratom's addictiveness lasts about a day or two, and at worst it causes runny nose and some sleepiness for a day or so. (Edit: I'm referring to withdrawal symptoms) Kratom has saved lives by allowing people to get off of serious drugs including alcohol and dangerous opioids. Come back to your comment after social perception about Kratom changes, which it will once people realize it's no more dangerous than a cup of coffee. Do better, and of course, weed should be legal and all those in prison for this should be released. While I cannot comment about Thailand's legal system, back home in the US millions of mostly black and brown lives have been destroyed, with children growing up without a father because of this bullshit crime.


NocturntsII

>Kratom's addictiveness lasts about a day or two, and at worst it causes runny nose and some sleepiness for a day or so. (Edit: I'm referring to withdrawal symptoms) Kratom has saved lives by allowing people to get off of serious drugs including alcohol and dangerous opioids. Yes, krstom has helped people move off other potentially more harmful drugs. As for the rest of your comments, especially where you downplay kratom addiction and potential withdrawal symptoms, I'd say you need to do your research. Krstom can be very difficult to kick. First off tolerance increases rapidly and with it dosages. If you have been at a high daily dosage for a prolonged period, you aren't going to get away with just a runny nose. Take a quick perusal of reddit to hear some users experience kicking kratom and some of the withdrawal symptoms they encounter. Kratom is like tramadol, folks believe it isn't addictive, spread that false information, then go through hell to kick. No it isn't heroin, or even oxy. That doesn't make the withdrawal process any more fun though. Nor are the symptoms for a heavy user any less potentially nasty. I know a few former kratom advocates who want out. A couple years ago they sounded just like you do. Their story has changed now. They don't think it's harmless anymore and they most definitely did not have a runny nose for a couple days when they tried to kick. One took 3 months, one is still unsuccessful. Admittedly a few were good after a couple weeks, but none said it was easy.


Several-Bus3432

There is a lot of disinformation out there about kratom. There is practically zero research so we depend on anecdotal evidence. My evidence is first hand. Have you tried it or is your info second hand? For me, kratom cured 20 years of regular drinking - sometimes daily, sometimes binging, often destructive or disfunctional. How I can still have a drink but it's not super exciting so I can keep it to one and only on occasion. quality of life has shot through the roof. relationships across the board have improved. having the best sex of my life - mostly due to being less repellent with no alcohol breath, physically super active now and in better shape, and the kratom habit is just a few grams in the afternoon. have taken breaks of a month at a time and at worst withdrawal is a runny nose and sleepiness for about a day. nothing more. I still enjoy it like I enjoy a cup of tea or coffee. That's all. Weed is far more destabilizing as a recreational drug, though I am not about to call it dangerous. If my teenage son said he started using kratom for whatever reason I would say cool, just use a little and take breaks. If he started using weed I would be far more concerned - largely because all the snacks in the fridge would go missing and his motivation to do anything besides listening to music or play video games would be diminished. 3 years and counting and life has never been better. No hyperbole.


NocturntsII

You do realize you recounted an anecdote after explaining to us the there is much anecdotal disinformation about kratom? I dont deny it can be beneficial. I dont deny that it can be pleasant, nor that for a many low to moderate users it is not dangerous. Thst said, to claim it is entirely harmless and non-addictive is nonsense. Kratom addiction is real, many struggle with it.


Several-Bus3432

as harmless as English black tea. the addiction people have to it is about the same. there, I said it, logic boy.


NocturntsII

thanks, I was unaware that english black tea acted on the opiod receptors. You learn something new every day.


Several-Bus3432

know what else acts on opioid receptors? your own body's reaction to natural everyday stimuli. gtfo dumbass and go back to the 15th century you anglo idiot.


NocturntsII

Anglo idiot? Did you really just go there? Although im not sure what it means in the context of his discussion Thanks yall! Have another cup o' thst bitter nectar and a nice day.


Several-Bus3432

you're mindset is about as wonderbread white as they come. that's what that means. that's the typical mindset of a protestant prude, but then again, maybe I have you all wrong and you are more open minded and will consider the fact that for centuries Western Europe has dictated what vices are acceptable or punishable by law, according to their sensibilities and financial interests. go back to the Opium trade in China that was forced down their throats with the barrel of the British Navy's guns, and all absurd drug war that the US has pushed in American ghettos and has driven across all of Latin America, all to justify the carceral industry which disproportionally targets non-Anglos. the wonderbread white attitude reaches into Thailand where Kratom was criminalized and described as a drug that "darkens the skin" and is used by peasants, all to demonize this total dud of a drug. Thankfully, that's no longer the case so it seems. But yes, it is about as innocuous as caffeine, and if you know, you know. No problem if you want to keep thinking natural plants are bad without knowing anything besides the protestant norms and law enforcement propaganda that tells you anything used by people who aren't like you must be bad.


norskdanske

>Kratom is like tramadol, folks believe it isn't addictive, spread that false information, then go through hell to kick. Tramadol isn't particularly addictive. I quit easily cold turkey. I also easily quit buprenorphine cold turkey. Quitting smoking was WAY harder. Some people have abusive and addictive personalities and unfortunately they make everyone think that because they can't control themselves, then no one can.


neutronium

What are the downsides of regular Kratom use. Just curious.


Brief_Atmosphere6645

People get addicted to all kind of shit if they take it in large quantitys, coffee , sweats and so on, not a reason to not legalize it, but i would prefer full legalization of Ganja...


NocturntsII

You are missing the point. I didn't say anything about not legalizing it. I pointed out that they legalized a more physically addictive substance without apparent thought while still they dither over weed. I also called you out on your uninformed dismissal of the potential dangers of kratom. Not sure why you are bringing coffee into the picture, while that is physically addictive, withrawl symptoms there are truly mild and short lived.


bkkwanderer

I think you are completing disregarding how ingrained it already is in Thai society though. The reason it's been legalized is because it's use is so common throughout the country that it makes sense to legalize it and allow people to make money from it The Thai government didn't sit down and compare weed and krarom and decide upon krarom it was just a much easier thing to legalize. I'm pretty sure weed will eventually be legalized too.


NocturntsII

>I think you are completing disregarding how ingrained it already is in Thai society though. The reason it's been legalized is because it's use is so common throughout the country that it makes sense to legalize it and allow people to make money from it I suppose that may be the case, but in my 20+ years here, I have encountered far more marijuana users. that may be a result of my moving in the wrong circles. I also acknowledge that I have by no means seen it all. Ganja has been used as an ingredient is food here for ages, and I have met plenty a grandmother that grows and makes their own weed tea in addition to it's widespread recreational use. I have sourced it from my own cleaners, random motorcycle guys, village kamnan and university students as well as the ubiquitous Rasta. I have been offered ganja in almost every setting, from the beach, to motorcycle trips in mountain backwaters or issan villages. Kratom not so much.