Obvious parallel to Civil War with a different outcome.
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Thats the difference guys!
I think this scene is even more chilling in retrospect. Steve could have easily snapped and killed Tony in this moment. Instead he chose to disable Tony's suit and give up the shield.
Holy shit now that I think of it, it really is.
Yeah even Tony thought he was gonna do it so he covered his face
Disable opponent and give up the shield vs cover the shield in blood then put it on and own it.
Yeah that's the added thing, it's not like Walker was like "what have I done" and drops the shield, he owns it, he stands up and straps on the shield.
Well that's when Tony truly lost that fight. He protected his face, thinking Cap would go for a killing blow.
I remember seeing this in theaters and for a split second I genuinely believed he was going to kill Tony.
They played the soundtrack as well during the episode to set the tone...
Man... The sustained strings as he jumped out the window, then the booming brass as he caught up with his victim.
Yup, I was so happy when I heard it.
omg I didn't even think of this. it hits even deeper now.
I watched Civil war yesterday and I didn’t even connect it but damn that’s chilling.
Totally forgot that part 🤯
I loved that even Zemo acknowledged how good of a person Steve Rogers was.
It’s what makes him so sympathetic:
1. He’s an underdog, the fact he’s still alive and doing shit despite all these batshit crazy super powered people he interacts with is incredible
2. He is a man of his fucking ideals, he knows 100% what he believes and it’s fairly reasonable(if still flawed) logic. He saw the serum, he smashed the fucking serum without hesitation
I wouldn't say sympathetic. He believes anything is okay as long as it is a means to an end. But he's a great character, and has a strict code. Best villain imo.
Reminds me of Omar from the Wire. A mans got to have a code
(i'm assuming that) Steve wanted to stop Tony from chasing them so he damaged the armor, but John took Thanos's advice and went for the head
As soon as I saw John chasing that guy I was like "He's gonna decapitate him". I do like their take on John Walker's descent into US Agent.
John actually went for the chest
aight, prove it
watch the episode again lmao
this is Disney. They aren’t gonna show humans getting decapitated.
Would’ve made more sense if walker chopped his head off with the shield imo for this comparison. Obviously would’ve been wayyy more graphic but yeah
Honestly was expecting that. But I guess the creators wanted to really show the brutality of Walker rather than deadliness if that’s the right terminology. He’s not a one and done kind of guy.
I think he did do that. All that blood and its not coming from his chest.
idk I think that's where a lot of the blood in our bodies is
...or the guy coughed up blood as his organs and ribs were getting crushed.
Of course it is, imagine an angry Super Soldier smacking the shit out of your chest with a vibranium shield.
I don’t want to!
I mean that would basically put him on the same moral grounds as thor
It's not the serum that made Steve a hero, it was his heart. Some John definitely lacks.
"not a perfect soldier, but a good man."
This scene I think also showcases the difference in mentality of Steve and Tony. Tony always expects the worst hence him shielding his face thinking for maybe a split second that Steve is gonna kill him and then there is Steve that always sees the good in people and just stabs Tony’s reactor understanding why Tony is acting the way he is.
I think he’s just trying to cover the only part of his body not covered in armor...
This. Civil War is all about Tony's continued *failure* to redeem himself from his past as a war criminal. He has a faulty moral compass. Ultron, and Sokovia, was on *his* head, just like the bomb that killed Wanda's family.
Tony was not a good man. He was a deeply flawed man, whose crimes were so terrible that he could only be redeemed by making the ultimate sacrifice.
I think Tony was also going to kill Bucky. Idk. About Tony's reaction, a lot of people say this but I think there's no reason to overthink it. It could have just been a reflex action.
Steve only did that because he knew Tony would survive. He was looking to disable him.
John just straight up eviscerated a man on camera..
Dang I felt this
Exactly! This is such a brilliant parallel.
I think it's important to note that Iron Man didn't kill Bucky, while the Flag Smashers did kill Battlestar. Would Cap have had the same restraint if Stark had murdered Bucky first?
Steve thought Bucky was dead-dead during the third act of 'The First Avenger' and he still brought in Zola alive and didn't cave in the Red Skulls chest.
To be fair, the Commandos capture Zola while Steve is elsewhere on the train and Red Skull gets poofed to Vormir mid-fight.
He still had a whole conversation and fight with Skull before he got poofed.
I think so. The difference between John and Steve is that when Bucky “died” Steve didn’t kill someone who wasn’t responsible. Instead, Steve chose took responsibility and sacrificed himself at the end causing him to go into ice with a bunch of bombs in the Arctic. Walker straight up chased a man and beat him to death in public
I mostly agree, and I'm not saying Walker is justified. But Steve also had a full squad with him when Bucky "died" in First Avenger; Walker is left totally alone. Moreover, Cap does fling his shield as hard as he can at the guy who knocked Bucky out of the train (armored HYDRA goon) and we don't see what happens next other than the rest of the Commandoes capturing Zola. Obviously Walker loses it, I'm just saying it's not as fair a comparison as it seems.
That guy was responsible. Sure, he wasn't the one who punched Hoskins but he was the one holding Walker down as Karli was about to stab him. That action is what forced Hoskins to block and ultimately get launched into the pillar.
Yes. That is in character for cap.
Yes. Unquestionably. Emphatically. YES
But Steve did not kill Tony. But Tony would have killed Steve and Bucky. And Steve left the shield behind
Tony would not have killed Steve. The whole time he was gunning for Bucky only and ignored Steve most of the fight. If he was actually targeting them both I don’t think it would end up the way it did.
yeah he lost the fight largely because he didn’t want to seriously injure steve, if he fought to kill both he would end the movie by dragging their bodies out of the bunker
Steve is very tough, and damn near impossible to kill besides the fact he isn’t missile proof
I don't get one thing. How is Steve impossible to kill but another supersoldier can be killed with a shield
Cap is impossible to kill due to his skill. His durability is high but his experience as a soldier and his skill with his shields is so far unmatched. As for the guy who got breaded by shield, it’s shown that walker repeatedly slams the shield down onto the guy and since the shield is the strongest metal on the planet eventually the dude has to die
I'm assuming that new cap essentially cut the dude in half with the edge of the shield
The super soldier was down, unarmed, with no armour. He had no defense. Walker slammed a vibranium shield into his chest several times.
I know others have mentioned it but thats a big part of that fight. If either cap and bucky or Tony had decided to go full kill mode right at the start, they would have succeeded. Its only because cap and Tony both did not want to kill eachother that it ended the way it did.
Tony wasn’t going to kill Steve.
100% Tony would have killed Bucky, was TRYING to kill him. He would have killed Steve just to get to Bucky.
Because Tony was not a good man.
Newly-met? Yo they had a Lotta history and then after that Tony blasted Bucky's arm away.
they knew each other for at least 15 years, probably more, considering steve’s mental age is only around 30 ish due to the ice, he’s known him for basically all his teenage and adult life
Tony was actively trying to kill Bucky (the person Steve grew up with) for something that Bucky wasn’t in control of. Steve had more of a reason to kill Tony (which is practically nonexistent anyway) than John had to kill the person that didn’t even murder his friend.
The difference is that Cap saw another way to do things that wouldn’t cost any lives and John took one that wasn’t in the wrong (not saying the Flagsmasher was innocent but in the case of Lemar’s death he was).
What the hell? You know that guy was the one who was setting up Karli for the knife finisher right? The only reason Hoskins had to go hand to hand against Karli is because if he didn't tackle her, Walker dies on the spot. How the hell does Steve have more of a reason to kill Tony than John to kill that guy who was involved with his friend's death?
Because the one Steve was fighting in Civil War was actually the man that was trying to kill Bucky.
John killed a person that didn’t kill his friend. Karli is the one that killed Lemar. Murdering someone associated with the person who killed your friend isn’t justifiable.
Do you think Steve would have killed Tony if Tony killed Bucky down there?
Not a chance.
No way in hell.
Yes I was thinking about that
Super terrorist who killed your best friend is different than your one bestfriend trying to kill your other best friend.
The parallel is the shield. Walker could have used his gun, but the director setup a similar scene to draw a contrast between him and Steve.
It was intentional to show the difference Between soldiers from back in the day and soldiers of modern era
No, it’s showing the difference between Rogers and Walker.
The guy walker killed didn’t even kill Lemar
Except the person John killed wasn’t the one that murdered Lemar.