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A_HornyHorse

We are the omniscient readers. It's not easy for the characters to connect the dots we see. To them Dicathen is a backdate poor, weakass continent that their glorious leader is trying to "liberate" from ignorance. Even if she doesn't believe in Agrona's BS, it's hard to think that an aether wielding powerful mage, as strong as her mentor, who can travel intercontinental exists in the enemy army.


Life-Mine9390

I get that and I don’t even wanna say that she has to know and should be 100% sure, but he appears shortly after the war has ended. The first time she sees him he’s literally „dead“, but after some time she meets him again and he’s fucking strong. If I recall it right, the first thing (or at least one of the first things) he asks is what’s the last thing she heard of the war. He doesn’t really have a clue about Alcryan culture. When he found out she’s a Vritra, he almost killed her and she knows he doesn’t wants to get tracked. He knows Seris and owes her. So please just have the slightest suspicion that he could be from Dicathen. Like that Mf Alaric just needed to watch him for a few days and didn’t need to talk to him, to find out he’s from Dicathen.


A_HornyHorse

Alaric knowing and choosing to do nothing surprises me more than Caera not knowing tbh. We need to know more about Uncle Alaric.


Life-Mine9390

I know what you mean, but I just think that Alaric doesn’t really care about the Vritra. He just wants to make money off of someone, who he can pressure with a secret. I also don’t even want to say that Caera has to know or has to be 100% sure of Arthur being from Dicathen. I just want her to have the slightest suspicion of Arthur’s origin


Khuvyto

I think she suspects that he may be a Dicathian, but that's just one of MANY other possibilities and also one of the most improbable ones, since there are "easier" ways to explain the unordinariness of Arthur, like he being a descender of the Ancient Mages that came from the Relictombs, or and Indrath-blooded human send to Alacrya by the Asuras, or a "secret weapon" used in the war against Dicathen that escaped (that could kind of explain Series knowing him) or so, and unlike Alaric, she has been with him almost exclusively in the Relictombs, where it isn't that unusual to see strange people, she simply doesn't know Arthur enough to at least discard some of those possibilities.


ElectricalStaff518

Maybe she is in denial or something? I don't think it will be a big deal for caera even if she finds out coz she doesn't care about the asuras nor is she patriotic enough to care about everyone in her country. I mean she didn't say anything while ppl died in the relictombs right?


Life-Mine9390

I also don’t think it will be a big deal for her, because she really doesn’t care about the Vritra and everything. Anyway, if she would be in denial, wouldn’t we (as a reader) not at least get a hint that she at least suspect it, but simply denies it? And it’s not like Alacryans really care, if people die in the relictombs. They may care if it’s one of their friends, but if they don’t have any relation to them, they don’t really care


ElectricalStaff518

Yeah, but it just seems waay too obvious for her to not know. Arthur really hasn't been doing a good job hiding his past


Life-Mine9390

Thats what I‘m thinking as well, but then she asks Arthur who he really is and everything


One-Ad2239

i think that she doesnt consider that option, specially considering how difficult it was even for Agrona to cross to another continent, and they won, how could a general of the losser side get here?. she disregarded the idea before even think of it. Or at leats thats what i think she did.


HopethisisntaMistake

Exactly and he said art didn’t know the trainer but he does to an extent


Salah-Estarossa

The timing doesn't help her, since the war has been going on for months,if not years so ..... Moreover when she talked with Seris, she suspected him of being from Eupheatos, she suspected him of being from Dragon descent. She must've thought that he was from Dicathen but brushed the idea, since there's nothing pointing him to Dicathen.


Life-Mine9390

The timing should help, since it’s literally shortly after the war ended and one of the first things Arthur asks is „what’s the last thing you heard about the war“


Salah-Estarossa

>The timing should help, since it’s literally shortly after the war ended It's been week between Arthur's supposed death, and Grey meeting Caera. Moreover they met each other before hand, when Art has just woken up. Moreover Art has tattoos in his back, reminiscent of the Alacryans system, so......


Life-Mine9390

He didn’t had those runes to begin with (not when they first encountered and not even the second time), also those runes are for mana, which Caera knows Grey doesn’t have.


Salah-Estarossa

>He didn’t had those runes to begin with (not when they first encountered and not even the second time) He had them after meeting the first Djinn. >also those runes are for mana, which Caera knows Grey doesn’t have. It's only after the 2nd ascent that she learned that he uses Aether.


Life-Mine9390

I know the time when Arthur got his fake runes, but what does that proof? When she first met him, he had most of his cloth destroyed, so very much skin exposed. There were no runes at that time. I‘m not sure as to how much she was able to see during their second encounter, but he still had no runes. So saying that because he has runes, she doesn’t suspect him of not being Alacryan, is just not a good argument. Also yes, she only later learns that he uses aether and not mana, which literally changes nothing for her…… like not only does he magically have runes when she meets him again, but later she realizes that they are only cover ups, because he can’t even use mana.


Salah-Estarossa

>So saying that because he has runes, she doesn’t suspect him of not being Alacryan, is just not a good argument. You are forgetting their second ascent, in the mirror room and the snowy Mountain. Maybe I had to develop what I meant, but each and every time he uses a Godrune his back glows, because his rines manifest themselves. Whether it being in the mirror room, when he used Aroa Requiem, and his back glowed back, or the times when used Godstep, when trained with 3 Steps or when he fought against the Spear Beak tribe. >Also yes, she only later learns that he uses aether and not mana, which literally changes nothing for her…… like not only does he magically have runes when she meets him again, but later she realizes that they are only cover ups, because he can’t even use mana. As I said earlier, when she heard that he uses Aether, she thought he was from Eupheatos, since only Dragons can weaponize Aether, so there's nothing leading to Dicathen. She could've also assumed that he was from a secret unit created by Agrona to use Aether instead of Mana.


Life-Mine9390

I know that his aether runes are glowing, when he uses them. Still it doesn’t explain where or how or why he suddenly got mana runes, when he didn’t have them in the first place. It just doesn’t make sense. He appears shortly after the war is over, he asks about the outcome of the war and how much time passed, he seems to hate the Vritra and is completely ignorant of their culture, so it wouldn’t make sense for him being „created“ by Agrona. She thinks that it might be possible that he’s from Epheotus, but Seris literally denied that which should make her at least suspect that there is a tiny little chance, that he’s from Dicathen. I really don’t wanna say she has to know or something, but not even having the thought that this might be possible…….


Salah-Estarossa

>I know that his aether runes are glowing, when he uses them. Still it doesn’t explain where or how or why he suddenly got mana runes, when he didn’t have them in the first place. It's not like Caera saw them before ? If you see the cover of volume 8, Arthur's clothes hid everything. You could say when they first met, when Art was feigning being dead, but it's not like she was actively looking at his back. Art was lying on the ground, amd Taegen tried to kill him, Caera intervened and then they leaved shortly after. >he asks about the outcome of the war and how much time passed Well he made it seem like he knows, afterall he said that he will ask a series of questions whom some he knows the answers and others who he doesn't know. Caera doesn't know wich question he knows the answer and who's question he doesn't know. >he seems to hate the Vritra and is completely ignorant of their culture, so it wouldn’t make sense for him being „created“ by Agrona Have you ever seen Animes where the Creation rebels against it's creator ? That's how I would've seen it. Grey would be someone created by Agrona, Agrona experimented on Grey like he did to all the people who's Vritra Blood awakened, Grey was able to flee, and since he was never outside and kept in the laboratory he never had the chance to know the culture, he hides in the Relictombs, Agrona's forces are after him since he fled. If I was in the world of tbate, that's how I would've imagined it being. >She thinks that it might be possible that he’s from Epheotus, but Seris literally denied that No, Seris denies that he's the child of an Indrath and a human, like Caera, saying that they are too prideful for that. >I really don’t wanna say she has to know or something, but not even having the thought that this might be possible……. It's not like we always have her pov and her thought process. She might've theorized he was from Dicathen, but there's nothing supporting and nothing that denies it. He has Runes like all the Alacryans Mages, seems terrified by the idea that someone can track him, doesn't like the Vritra, and has the ability to use Aether. I don't know what Caera knows about the mages of Dicathen, but she might know that they don't use runes, and Art has Runes on his back. Again there's nothing that truly gives us info that Grey is from Dicathen, the only thing could be the war, but she could think that he fought in the rank of Alacrya, hates/doesn't like the Vritra beacuse Agrona declared a stupid War that might've taken the lives of his family or friends, decided to desert the Army so doesn't want to be found. (Tho this scenario wouldn't explain why he knows so little about the culture, but you get my point) There are multiple possible scenarios to make from Info Caera has, and Arthur didn't give any info that could help Caera find the truth, you might argue but that's beacuse you knows the truth and know the hidden meaning of some words, Caera doesn't since she's a character not a reader. Caera could've thought that he was from Dicathen, but then how would he get Runes ? Dicathen is way underdeveloped so hiw is he in Alacrya ? And so on and so forth.


Naruto_7thHokage

She doesn't really care about the war and all, she even hates the Vritra. Sure she curiouses about Grey but at one point she kinda accept it and just want to explore the Relictomb with him. And tbh a Dicathen spy is less suprise than a Scythe level mystery guy with the hatres to Vritra


CorruptedMindscape

Because sometimes the answer is right in front of your face and you look away on purpose without realizing. Also because TurtleMe seems to be waiting for her to, jn Seris’ words, ‘want him to truly trust you’ so that Arthur willingly tells her at some point. As for how she might react, honestly more surprised than you might think considering she doesn’t seem to know that much about the whole situation, she knows that the war is really just self serving to Agrona and doesn’t really benefit all of Alacrya, in fact if anything pushes thousands of their mages (and slaves from the ships) to die in the hopes of gaining more respect in a society that only promotes strength and purity of blood. However, I doubt Seris went and told her all the details about how Agrona will probably sacrifice Alacrya if he thinks it will help him gain control of Epheotus, etc.. Caera won’t be expecting an Aether super-mage from the continent that just lost everything, especially considering when they first met, his mana-core was shattered and he already looked different from Arthur, and when she saw him the 2nd time he was less versatile but way more strange and powerful in terms of augmentation compared to any normal mage from Dicathen. From her perspective, how does someone ‘comparable to Seris’ suddenly appear from the continent that just lost due to a surprise attack from a single Scythe (Cadell) and another Scythe for distracting the other Lances on the coast. Also, Arthur doesn’t give a shit whose mentoring Caera because from his perspective, she won’t tell anything too crazy important, because she didn’t know much. Sure, she told Seris enough for her to figure out who he was, and about his Aether powers, but Art also found out that she told her mentor about him, and literally nobody came after him… at this point he’s probably less worried about her Scythe mentor and more worried about being strong enough to 1v2 Scythes by the time another one (like Nico) finds out about him and chooses to do something about it. Now Caera has some more information to give, like stealing relics and opening teleportation gates to freely enter and leave the relictombs without being put on record. So the chances of another Scythe finding out, coming to question her, before he gets bodied by Grey and then he tells her the truth after realizing she didn’t rat him out, are rather high in my opinion. I’m more worried about how Turtle might handle Tess’ situation because if we get more of her POV and like Cecilia gains more control while Tess fades completely, then I want her to be saved before that and not have her somehow magically be fully restored after slowly losing control of her own body, like where does her soul go? How come only Cecilia’s soul can have control right now? How the hell would Grey even save her if he doesn’t understand what sort of Aether art Agrona might’ve used to reincarnate her (seems to be different from Grey and Nico’s reincarnation in more ways than just the runes and being incarnated into an already grown person). Honesty I don’t even care if Arthur manages to save both Cecilia and Tess as long as it’s nicely explained how he got that ability, like I don’t see creating a new body for Cecilia and then transferring her soul from Tess’ body to the new one is just a basic thing that he can do, because that goes beyond the rather specific utilization that a SINGLE Godrune might have.


Life-Mine9390

Some of your reply is patreon only, so please edit it. For your last point regarding Tess/Cecilia, I don’t even think it was mentioned that there was a difference in Arthur’s/Nicos/Cecilias reincarnation. Also I‘m pretty sure that Tess‘ consciousness is „saved“ in/by her beast will. Also Arthurs powers are not only coming from Godrunes. Aether literally lets him rewrite reality itself, so I don’t see why he shouldn’t be able to do something like that. Aether goes beyond something that anyone really can understand and Arthur has an insane advantage on learning it’s possibilities, even though Agrona is researching it for god knows how long. Like I don’t know if Arthur actually will be able to do something like that or if he will be able to save Cecilia, but at least I don’t think it’s impossible, because there wouldn’t be specific runes for it


CorruptedMindscape

Because all of his basic Aether abilities that you say ‘rewrite reality’ are exactly that. Basic. Augmentation he got from doing what he did with Mana, this gave him enhanced physical abilities and also enhanced his vision and other senses. He got the Aetheric Intent by replicating King Force and his Aether cannon etc.. are all basic usages of Aether he gained from what he saw people could do with Mana, that shit doesn’t rewrite reality. Godrunes are MAJOR insights into Aether, a step above his basic Aether usages. Hence the reality rewriting shit like teleportation and rewinding the time of inanimate objects and destroying existence. Thus, for him to literally create a new body and move souls around between them will definitely require major insight into aetheric edicts that he doesn’t really have any insight into, namely Creation, Life and possibly even Death or Fate. Also Tess’ entire body is covered in runes from just being reincarnated so how would Arthur do anything different? Just solve her problems without even using any runes? I doubt it. Also I wasn’t saying it was like impossible to do, I was just saying that it has to be explained how he unlocked the ability to do it, he’s not just rewriting reality however he wants to and the Aether just figures it out for him, I’m saying that he should learn this ability through a keystone or training with another memory remnant of the Djinn, possibly even the very last one he visits, so I’m wondering how TurtleMe will handle this situation as in how will Cecilia and Arthur meet and exactly when will it happen (because Arthur’s abilities can literally change overnight).


Life-Mine9390

Yeah you are right


Ok_Medium_6100

cool and all but cut the guy who wrote the idk how long comment some slack ;)... It takes alot of time to write that much ✌️


lemmo23

Sometimes the simplest answer is usually the most impossible one. "It couldn't be right? Nah there's no way this is the answer." Same goes with Arthur, like come on, the hints we're there what's not clicking with this two? I just enjoy all the hints getting over there heads lol.


Life-Mine9390

For Arthur I think it’s just that he doesn’t care. It’s even more obvious for him than for Caera. Like it’s pretty clear that there are only 2 female scythes and Caeras mentor is easily betraying the Vritra, by not telling them that Caeras blood has manifested. Like how high are the chances, that 2 scythes are working „against“ the Vritra. Come on Arthur, you are not that stupid


WitchKing575

i don't believe Caera told art that her mentor is a scythe, and I believe Ceara is just waiting for art to trust her enough to share his story with her


Life-Mine9390

Caera told Arthur that during her awakening she was with one of „her mentors, a scythe“. Later on she referred to the scythe as a she, so that only leaves Seris or the other female scythe, which we have yet to see


WitchKing575

Well, shucks, I missed that part.


Life-Mine9390

It happens


Arthur_Regis4

I don't remember her saying that her mentor is a scythe... Could you tell me in which chapter it was mentioned?


Life-Mine9390

“It is, and in normal conditions, they would’ve been the first to know,” Caera agreed. “But at the time of my dormant Vritra blood’s manifestation, I was with one of my mentors—a Scythe sent by one of the Vritra themselves.” Chapter 309 (e-Book version) „to kill or not to kill“


Arthur_Regis4

Thank you so much!


Ineedajobsobadly

It was during one of the best moments of the novel, how could you not remember...smh


Arthur_Regis4

My bad, was quite excited while reading and I was speed reading, ig that's why I didn't remember it.... However now I know :)


BassMax_

As Professor Aphelion said, everyone has their demons, most people won't see yours past their own.


RequirementNo7118

Because there's no way the dicathians can invade them and no one would assume some guy just teleported over. It doesn't matter how suspicious he is, it's just not something that can happen(even though it did).


Life-Mine9390

I mean expect the unexpected. It should’ve at least crossed her mind, but then she said to herself something like „no, that’s impossible“ and dismiss it


AlWill6

There are other options for his identity. She could be an ascender with amnesia, he could be an asura, he could be a product of the Relictombs... If I were in her shoes, the options would probably be diverse enough for me not to care if he's Dicathian.


Life-Mine9390

He couldn’t be an Asura, he certainly has no amnesia, he isn’t a product of the relictombs, because Seris knows and already interacted with him


AlWill6

Yes, we the readers know that, but it would take time for a character who just met him to figure it out.


Life-Mine9390

I mean Caera knows these things by now as well. Like ok, she shouldn’t be 100% sure. Maybe she thinks it’s impossible and dismisses it, but at least the thought should’ve crossed her mind


AlWill6

The overall point is that there were probably so many scenarios she can make that it probably would have been a waste of time guessing, so she just asks that he tells her when he trusts her.


BigAcanthocephala324

She thinks grey was part of the war and even asked him for that


Life-Mine9390

I know that, but how comes she didn’t think of him being from Dicathen


Soft-Illustrator-109

Haha, I thought she knew sth when she gave him the medallion before he left the sanctuary room. But well, apparently not.


Ineedajobsobadly

She’s in denial, just the way about how she really feels about him. Ig...


Life-Mine9390

I neither think she is in denial of who Arthur actually is, nor about her own feelings. To be in denial, you would have to have at least the suspicion of Arthur being from Dicathen and I feel like if she would have the slightest suspicion, we would know. Maybe through something like „could he be from Dicathen? No, that isn’t possible“ or something like that. About her feelings it seems that she „explored“ her feelings and is now sure that it isn’t love.


OrganicOwl123

well she doesn't want sleep, she wants answers.


Ncrazy

Depending on how public the information of the djinn are from caera's perspective Arthur would more likely be one of them then a random aether wizard from dicathen.


FormerMastodon2330

Yeah there alot of things that were not questioned for the sake of the plot in the story like who is silvies father who is the freind that agrona told arthur about when they frist met and why did arthur even went to alacrya? Instead of spending all of his time in the relictombs and so on and so on


Life-Mine9390

Sylvies father = Agrona The friend = Nico Why he got out of the relictombs = he didn’t know how the relictombs worked, so he thought he had to get out and try to get to another entrance for the relictombs


FormerMastodon2330

Bruh did u even understand what i mean


Life-Mine9390

What did I not understand?


FormerMastodon2330

I am not talking about the facts i am talking about how they were dismissed until later revealing them for the sake of the plot making the characters look stupid like how did arthur never questioned who is silvies father which was very obivious and how he never thought about who is the friend that agrona told him about this makes arthur look stupid


Life-Mine9390

How the hell would he know that Agrona was Sylvies father? And he probably could’ve guessed that it was Nico, but he didn’t really consider the chance that there were other people to reincarnate. Reincarnation is (with fate) possibly the biggest mystery in TBATE, so it’s not like it’s stupid for Arthur to not consider it.


FormerMastodon2330

Bruh which asura clan does have horn agrona can take over her body even if he didnt suspect agrona he should have atleast thought about who her father is the fact that he never thought about it was strange And agrona told him this i heard alot of stories from your freind king grey the fact that he never thought about which freind that is is weird its almost feels forced just like silvies father issue


Traffy7

People in TBATE are dumb . alaric seem to be one off the few intelligent one .