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Cliff126

because she's a asura.


Belalpashanour

If thats the case virtria can use aether


Cliff126

yes but only a little


shawntw77

Incorrect. Only dragons and quad elemental mages are able to sense and potentially use aether, plus the exception for aether cores and aether beasts created by the djinn. The djinn somehow found aether(likely through the quad elemental method) and took it a step further with spellforms. The vritra, unless they've managed to recreate the djinn's spellforms, cannot use aether. It has never been stated or implied they can, so until such evidence comes to light, your statement is incorrect.


Cliff126

and where tf did you find that quad elemental mage can use or sense aether???? arthur only got to see that because of Sylvia's beast will.


shawntw77

Myre literally said it. Book 5, chapter 119, "Bearer of Grim News". Exact quote: She nodded in contentment as I waited for her to continue. "I'm not sure if this is mere coincidence or fate, but there is a reason why you have the ability—as limited as it is—to utilize aether. Can you guess what it is?" "I thought it was because of Sylvia's will," I answered. "It is partly because of Sylvia's will that you are able to bear the burden of aether, but that is not the reason you are able to manipulate it." There was only one other answer that came to mind. "Is it because i can manipulate all four elements?" "Precisely!" Myre exclaimed. "It was the insight into all four of the fundamental elements that allowed us to take a look beyond the water and become aware of the glass cup that we are held in."


Cliff126

ok my bad bro didn't remember that anymore


sumandark8600

Except we know that that's nonsensical because the Indrath clan have the least insight into elemental magic out of all the Asuras. The Indrath clan are just born with the equivalent of natural aether spell forms and can see aether through Realmheart. At best, Myre is just guessing at why a lesser is able to use aether. We also know that Myre have Arthur lots of bad information about aether, either because she was hiding the truth, or because the Indrath clan just have no fucking clue (Probably the former since they knew about the ancient mages).


shawntw77

You really are delusional aren't you? I literally quoted it from the novel. If you don't like that your delusions aren't supported by the novel, take it up with the author kiddo.


sumandark8600

🤣😂🤣😂 I know you quoted the novel, but that's all you did. You didn't backup your claim. Those are 2 different things. And it's been explained in the novel that we can't trust Myre's information. Do you really have no critical thinking skills at all? Lying, deception, and red herrings are all common in TBATE. In fact, in this same conversation, Myre says that absorbing aether is impossible and that aether can't be manipulated, only influenced. But we know this isn't the case. Do you can't trust her word.


shawntw77

If you are arguing about something, a direct quote from the source you are talking about is the best possible quote you can get. It was literally never explained that we cant trust Myre's information. The dragons aren't as advanced as the djinn, and they didn't know you could create an aether core, but by the same logic, should we trust Pythagorean's Theorem(its usually 7-8th grade math, so might be above your experience level) just because mathematics weren't as advanced before as they are today? Well, you literally ignored a direct quote because you don't like it, so I don't expect any arguments with you to go anywhere except "I dont like it, I dont like it, I dont like it" so I'm just going to back out of this before it takes up my whole day pointlessly.


Objective-criteria

I agreed with everything you said, until I realized, that in fact, the friend who answered you is right, since his first and second statements are technically correct, but it is relatively far-fetched to think like that, because mainly there are no many facts that support with complete certainty the theory that "the asuras of the Indrath clan do not know that much about the ether, so relying on their knowledge would not be wise."I understand that you have quoted a part of the text and that in a certain sense makes you right, but you have to keep in mind that the type of narration we are subject to is in first person, which implies that we only know what the POV of the character we are in shows us and that is limited, ie, we know almost everything the character knows and maybe a little more by the simple fact that the author gives us the POV of several other characters (all narrated in first person), my point is that you may be right for the moment, but that can change quite easily (because that's how this narrative works), which in the end is apparently deductible that discarding what he said at this moment, would be from my point of view, an erroneous premature judgment. Now, looking at what he said, I come to the conclusion that it is quite interesting, since, to a certain extent, he is right. synthesizing the primordial essence of what he said it would be: dragons are the least versed in elemental magic of all asuras, since the only thing they can control is pure mana (true, but debatable), therefore, the statement of myre cannot be entirely accurate, as it lacks empirical support, which by definition would be entirely correct.


Objective-criteria

points that are somewhat debatable: 1- although it is true that asuras do not have any control over elemental mana, that does not automatically translate into being the least versed in this regard, since the realmheart is designed to analyze and manipulate mana in a much more efficient and detailed way (something that no asura apart from the Indrath clan could replicate), therefore, it is possible that the realmheart gives them a much better perception of mana in general, compared to the rest of the asuras. 2- It is known from myre that they can influence elemental mana particles, since they can cancel spells (rather than cancel I suppose they obstruct the structure of it), therefore, it is not that they have absolutely zero control over elemental mana. 3- finally, what he said is finally true. Even if the dragons had a vast understanding of elemental mana, there is nothing that sustains with complete certainty what myre said, since they cannot verify it themselves by not being able to use elemental mana, but this still does not disprove the fact of what you said, because as I said this type of narration presents us with limited information. In short, myre may know that, for something that we do not know at the moment or it may also be that she really was wrong, and indeed, that control that Arthur (mana core) had over the ether was for another reason.


shawntw77

I dont even need to read beyond the first part. He is completely wrong. The dude saw the text and just ignored it because it wasn't what he believes. Its an open and shut case. You just cant go "oh hey, there is a quote... i disagree. Its wrong" and expect to not look like an idiot.


sumandark8600

The Indraths aren't dragons. They're related, but different species.


brayon122

No they are one of the many dragon clans but they are as much of a dragon as any other dragon clan


sumandark8600

They are sometimes referred to as dragons. But it's explicitly stated that are separate entities. Dragons are extinct mana beasts that are much weaker than Asuras.


shawntw77

No no, they are dragons. The extinct species are lesser kins. I'll provide the exact quote, not that it matters to someone who I've already seen in my inbox today ignoring them just to support his own petty delusions. Its from book 4, chapter 84, "Lineage". Grandpa Virion's voice suddenly popped into my mind. He was the one who had confirmed that Sylvie was a dragon.l I thought back over what he'd told me and what I'd read; while I knew dragons were extraordinarily rare and powerful, nothing had mentioned them being higher beings, let alone asuras. "So, the dragons that were mentioned about in past texts—they were actual deities?" I inquired. Windsom faced me, letting out an impatient sigh. "No. While there are lesser races that have descended from the asuras, it is rather offensive to compare us. I will put aside the biology lesson for another time, but there are general facts you do need to know. While there are special exceptions due to innate differences in each clan, in most cases, deities have three main forms. The humanoid form that I am currently in, a draconic form which si most likely the form that Lady Sylvia had used to pass down her will to you, and a third form which integrates both humanoid and draconic aspects."


sumandark8600

It's chapter 85, not 84. I know the quote. It's what I'm referring to. The quote proves my point. The extinct species (dragons) are not the same as Asuras. They are loosely related to to l them but that's it. Having a draconic form =! being a dragon.


shawntw77

I'm looking at it right now on Kindle, its chapter 84. There aren't even book exclusive chapters or things that were swapped around in the earlier books to throw off the numbering. Either you just cant read or are you actually inadvertently admitting to reading on a pirate site just by showing that it doesn't have the numbers correct? Also, no it literally doesn't. It proves half your point, that the dragons in dicathen are lesser kins, it does not prove that the asuras aren't dragons. The asura dragon race are dragons, then the dragons in dicathen are lesser species of them, take wyverns for example. Even though I know you will just ignore it because you dont like it, here is another quote from book 3 which further shows my first point about you being wrong, and about the recent point about wyverns. Book 3, chapter 53, "It's a Pleasure" "He is... different. Do not view Arthur Leywin as a child." My bond spoke clearly, though the words seemed unnatural coming from his beak. "Whether it is mentual acuity or emotional maturity, there is much more to him than the eye can see." "What makes you so certain?" I leaned back in my seat. "His bond. That white fox's true form shoulld be that of a dragon." I bolded up from my seat. "*What?* How is that possible? How do you know?" "We are of the same lineage. I may be a lesser species, but wyverns are still the descendants of dragons." Avier went back to grooming himself.


brayon122

Ah maybe I missed something.. I thought that the other dragons were sub species of the the asuran dragon race


shawntw77

No worries mate, the kid is delusional and has no idea what he is on about. You were right, the Indrath and other clans of their race are dragons and the other races are lesser species of them. Edit: The kid is even ignoring and failing miserably to twist quotes into his favor. The kid really is stupid.


sumandark8600

No worries. It's an easy mistake to make given that it's only mentioned once when Arthur is being corrected. And before that, it was a common misconception made by the lessers that knew of Asuras.


Belalpashanour

Pls shut up


Cliff126

tf????


Belalpashanour

Virtra cant use aether


Cliff126

ok


Silversides13245

It has been stated that agrona has been able to use a little bit, he's also trying to control an entire edict so he at least has the potential to use it


shawntw77

Agrona has literally never been stated to use aether. We know he can influence fate. The influence of fate has never been implied or stated to require aether. That is headcanon.


Silversides13245

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it literally called the fourth edict of aether multiple times.


Limp-Literature4385

Lmaoo You asked the question all he did was respond df


Belalpashanour

Ok his second account


Limp-Literature4385

Yea ur mad😭😭


Belalpashanour

Ok??


Cliff126

myre used aether to heal arthur if i remebered correctly


Belalpashanour

She has the realmheart Physique


Cliff126

realmheart physique does make you control aether it's use is you can use mana more efficiently.


SCDorito

Not necessarily, its not because she's asura, it's because she's indrath, her clan has the highest affinity for aether, and on top of that she's the daughter of Sylvia, the daughter of the king of dragons which explains her power and her affinity to aether.


Examination-Training

Just a reminder that the only one capable of using aether is Arthur. The asuras can only manipulate aether.


GBHhunter

Realmheart is not a requirement for aether manipulation otherwise the ancient mages could not use it and wouldn't get eradicated. Also, realmheart normally isn't a buff like it is for art, it's function is seeing the mana and aether in the atmosphere. Mages can't see mana either, they simply sense them. Same for aether, but only asurans can sense it, and only realmheart users can see it. For art it's different because she's using Sylvia's will, effectively tapping into her power, while also activating realmheart. About Sylvie we don't know how much she's capable of doing. The only aether related things she did is heal, and sacrifice her body for arts. She's barely an aether user.


dani_chloe

The indrath clan can manipulate aether.


Silversides13245

Silv was 1) asuran 2) trained by the leader of the clan and 3) could see arthur's memories meaning that she could gain insight from the training with her papa and the vision from Arthur


[deleted]

Cuz she is the almighty Sylvie.


shawntw77

Realmheart is not a requirement. It might make things easier, but its far from required to use aether.


Sufficient_Tea_9281

Cuz she's a dragon


sumandark8600

The Indrath clan aren't dragons. They're related to dragons, but they're still different species.


masarogue12

Then what are they if not dragons??


sumandark8600

Asuras of the Indrath lineage. That's their species. Calling them dragons is kinda like calling modern humans neanderthals or possibly even chimpanzees on the extend end. We're closely related, but that's it. For a novel comparison, it'd be like calling wyverns dragons, or saying that dwarves and elves were humans.


masarogue12

Indrath is clan name not a race.


sumandark8600

It's both. Think of it like dog breed. Sub-species of the species Asura might be more accurate. If they were just a clan then they'd have no large physiological differences from other Asuras. But all Asura clans have large natural differences from eachother, clearly implying different genomes.


masarogue12

What natural differences?? Vritra clan are of basilisk race, Indrath clan are of dragon race etc... Dont speak some bulshit.


sumandark8600

You just proved my point. That's a natural difference. 😂🤣😂🤣 Members of the Indrath clan have draconic forms, but they aren't dragons. It's literally stated in the novel.


masarogue12

i asked what natural differences do they have?? tell me and i will quote you >If they were just a clan then they'd have no large physiological differences from other Asuras But they have differences and that is why you are speaking bulshit.


sumandark8600

That's my point! They are more than just a clan because of the natural differences! As for the differences, you've stated some yourself already. 🤣😂🤣😂


FridgeBerries

She can manipulate aether since she is an asura