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USS Iowa releasing a broadsid during a demonstration.

USS Iowa releasing a broadsid during a demonstration.

spiffy9

My grandfather was in the Navy during Vietnam as a radarman on a destroyer. He described his job as the best one on the ship, you were inside when it rained, you knew what day of the week it was and what time of day, you always had fresh coffee, and you got to bump elbows with the captain and other higher ups. His favorite story to tell was when they were running fire support for Marines a few miles inland along the coast. Normally the ground units would radio in coordinates they needed artillery at and the ship would launch a test round to make sure the math was right, then a barrage of firepower once confirmed. One day they got the coordinates, confirmed the math, and got word back that it was a massive encampment of enemies and they needed to level the area. Normally they stagger the shots but this day the captain decided to fire all guns at the same time. My grandfather said everyone kinda looked around and shrugged. All of a sudden all guns were firing and the ship started making all kinds of awful noises, rocking unsteadily, and every room was filled with clouds of dust. They immediately got word back that the first few rounds were direct hits but after that they all sort of scattered and landed way off target. Apparently the captains eyes got real big during this time and he just mumbled “guess we won’t do that again”.


Lucid-Design

That’s what happens when you put humans in charge of massive gun ships. I laughed so hard at this story. Cap was like “fuck. I thought that would be fucken awesome”


TossPowerTrap

>this day the captain decided to fire all guns at the same time. I've heard if you do this you'll explode into space.


leftsetter

Would that be like a true nature's child?


TossPowerTrap

Indeed. Climb high too!


drakoman

If u nut in space it push u backwards


Lucid-Design

Only if you’re stationary. If you’re moving it’ll slow y’a down tho. Or maybe start a spin lol


drakoman

https://youtu.be/0RsLNwVAAos


SrpskaZemlja

In the old days of sailing ships, if they fired all the guns at the same time without staggering, they risked heavily damaging their own ship.


ColColonCleaner

Didn't old sailing ship cannons sit on wheels and roll backward when fired? That would considerably reduce forces on the ship itself.


SrpskaZemlja

Yeah but at they had to be caught by ropes after recoiling, since rolling it back up to the porthole took lots of effort and had to be minimized.


analscreams

Why does the ship look leaned toward the direction it's firing? Shouldn't it be the opposite? Maybe it's just the shadows and the nature of the shockwave on the water/angle of the photo


Germangunman

Photo may have been taken from top left causing it to look shifted towards the firing side


newguy208

Even though that is not the case here, the recoil from these guns is insignificant to move the ship. The mass of ship in tens of thousands of tons is more than enough to keep it steady like a rock.


Keplinger99

Not so, things on water behave very different from on land. It’s almost as if you’re in space. If a tiny tug boat can push those Ships around then the recoil from NINE 16” guns going off at the same time will most definitely make the ship lean and move laterally in the water. Edit: I am most definitely wrong look at u/newguy208 reply and take in that article of knowledge that broke my perception of Battleship broadside.


newguy208

I understand what you mean [but the recoil is just insignificantly small.](http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-022.php)


Keplinger99

Well done sir. I learned something and thank you for linking that article.


No_Nobody_6254

I mean I don’t know this to be remotely true but the shock wave displaced so much water on that side of the boat that it could be rolling slightly in the direction of the crater


analscreams

I guess I didn't think about that but it's a reasonable assumption


fermat1432

Isn't this the same battleship that once had a gun turret explosion?


surfdad67

Yup, I was stationed in Puerto Rico when we received the 47 bodies, sobering time


fermat1432

Tragic. Didn't the investigators try to pin it on some innocent sailor?


surfdad67

Yeah, read the Wikipedia page on it, it’s upsetting what they did to that sailor and his friend.


bkk-bos

And the Brass who's negligence was responsible totally walked, pensions intact.


fermat1432

Big injustice.


Thengine

It's the american way. That's why it's spelled JUST-US instead of justice.


fermat1432

This is beyond sad. Can one ever expect justice from a government institution?


Thengine

Expect? Not really. In fact the SCOTUS created qualified immunity up out of nothing because they didn't want police officers being subject to the same justice system that the rest of us are. They actually said that too. > This doctrine, invented by the Court out of whole cloth, immunizes public officials even when they commit legal misconduct unless they violated 'clearly established law'. That standard is incredibly difficult for civil rights plaintiffs to overcome because the courts have required not just a clear legal rule, but a prior case on the books with functionally identical facts.[38] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity


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fermat1432

Thank you very much for all of this!


fermat1432

Thanks!


MC_C0L7

A huge chunk of their logic revolved around him being gay and having a spat with an ex lover, which was ever so respectfully leaked by officers of the Navy. When later investigations found that overram was likely the cause, they "expressed regret" but never apologised to the man's family for basically framing the deaths of 47 men on him because they thought he was gay.


fermat1432

This is awful! Thanks for the information.


Dependent-Dingo-4596

Yea I’ve watched videos of accounts from the men who were on Iowa that day. They were at sea and I believe the captain basically wanted to show off his battleships capabilities to some higher ups onboard. Anyway the center gun of the three guns on turret two (which is the turret closest to the bridge)had a major malfunction. I think the problem was with old powder bags which launch the shell after burning in a controlled pattern from the ignition point in a relatively “slow” period of time although to us it’s almost instant. Anyway these old bags didn’t burn right or left debris in the gun can’t remember the exact reason. But the gun basically “backfired” and the incredibly huge gun breach failed and sent a shock wave of fire and heat back through turret two. You gotta understand these turrets in the Iowa class are like apartment buildings with 60+ people working these things. So the back blast was sent from the gun on the top floor of the turret back through fire control and down the turret. Only ones who survived are the sailors which handled the powder bags and the shells from the magazine in the lower floors of the turret cause I believe the magazine section was separated by a blast door. So a boatswains mate( I believe) on the Iowa made a YouTube video recounting what he heard and saw. He heard the explosion went to investigate saw a sailor with all his clothes burnt off except his boots smoldering on the deck right outside the open door of the turret which was billowing smoke. And according to his account he walked in and the top floor of the turret which I believe housed the turrets plus some of fire control,And apparently everyone near the breach was incinerated and if not incinerated basically burnt to a crisp in a flash still holding the last positions they took right before they died many with their arms out in a vein attempt to shield themselves. And yea can’t remember the sailors name that was framed for this accident but he was the part of the gun team for that particular gun who would load the shell, the powder bags then close the breach. Anyway I think he had a life insurance policy which the benefactor was a surviving sailor of the blast who was in the magazine when the gun exploded safe from the blast. So the navy got suspicious and played the blame game though I think the life insurance stuff was explained away by his families defense attorneys. Also yea I remember him being gay was was also wrapped up in the investigation they said he was depressed and suicidal so he tampered with the losing process or rammed the powder bags into the gun too hard. But I think it’s been proven the most likely cause was faulty powder which were from WWII. Anyway do your own research this is just knowledge off the top of my head I gathered through videos and websites a while back. There’s an excellent 60 minutes segment made like in 90 or 91 I believe a year or two after the mishap and it’s really cool seeing survivors getting interviewed and how their accounts differ from a higher up guy also being interviewed


fermat1432

Thank you very much for all this information. So tragic.


doread38

Bad. Fuckin. Ass. That right there is a cornfed killing machine boys.


caskey

Sometimes you need to deliver nine things that weigh like trucks 24 miles away. The fire control computer was analog and corrected for the pitch and roll of the ship.


fancyspark

Plus instant Olympic sized swimming pool maker


converter-bot

24 miles is 38.62 km


Ficon

We're talking about the USS Iowa here, not the SS Surrender. Stick with miles. /s


_Face

That’s fucking gold.


Tagpls

Surrender like in Afghanistan you mean?


caskey

I pity the fool that has a 2k high explosive land on them but don't poke the bear.


hankrhoads

Truly. Here in Iowa, we are known for our seafaring skills.


doread38

Navigable rivers on either side will do that.


Bluegrassen

I was stationed on the USS Iowa in the 80s. I was on the bridge when we fired these 16” guns. I can tall you that it felt like someone hitting you in the face with a shovel.


skalja_scx

broadsidE


minhduc66532

Thought this was a scene from Battleship lol


_No_you_cant

The Big Stick


glewtion

Looks like Battleship, the movie, [had some realism…](https://imgur.com/a/1FmoHYI)


BioHuntah

God the Iowa class was damn sexy.


drailCA

Ha! They named a ship after Iowa. Good stuff.


Friend_or_FoH

All of the USN battleships were named after states.


drailCA

It's funny because Iowa is not what I'd think of when naming boats. But it's cool. Ne offended and downvote me for whatever reason that might be.


Friend_or_FoH

I didn’t downvote you, but the reason people are doing that is because this image is one of the most reposted images on the subreddit, and it is fairly common knowledge that the USS Iowa was the lead ship of this battle ship class, the Iowa-Class battleships, so making a joke about it being a dumb name in this sub comes across as trolling.


drailCA

Yeah I donno. I'm not American, nor do I really follow the names of military ships from my country (or any country) so... whatever. All I know is the Nimitz class Aircraft carriers... and I assume they probably named one the Enterprise. Maybe not though. Either way - Iowa is a hilarious name for a ship.


dartmaster666

Damn, this has been posted a few hundred times.