T O P

This was in Gen 4 mind you, I didn’t even know about the phys/spec split

This was in Gen 4 mind you, I didn’t even know about the phys/spec split

iamverymature69

Saw Gyarados using Hyper Beam in the anime, therefore thought Gen 4 Gyarados’s Hyper Beam would be awesome


tsubasaplayer16

and then when you did it in-game, i can probably guess you thought "WHY DOES IT DO SO LITTLE DAMAGE???"


Rookie_Slime

*laughs in massively overleveled Pokémon*


HUGE_HOG

I had a Gyara with Surf, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt and Flamethrower. Awesome.


Rugarroo

So I did the same thing with a Slowbro except Psychic instead of Thunderbolt. The look on my friend's face when I hit whatever his grass type was with Flamethrower the first time was great.


HUGE_HOG

Yeah, but Slowbro actually has a decent Sp.Atk, Gyarados doesn't at all


JakePent

I did something similar, but with a rampardos. I probably did have at least one physical move tho


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Airsoft52

Snorlax has higher special attack than Gyarados


iamverymature69

Gyarados’s special attack is it’s single lowest stat


Dispentryporter

60 base Sp. Atk. is actually pretty shit honestly.


DarthMudkip227

The same as azumarill, not bad


Dispentryporter

No, 60 really is absolute crap. Azumarill is a physical attacker thanks to Huge Power, no one would in their right mind run special Azumarill


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Dispentryporter

No. I don't. Sorry dude, 60 Special Attack is absolutely terrible. No one runs it in competitive and anyone using it in a playthrough will be dissapointed.


The_Boar_Shark

Is it 60 sp.atk? I always thought it was 80 for sone reason.


cesiumbathbomb

Me wondering why my musharna’s zen headbutt doesn’t do much damage


ArmadsDurandal

Same thing happened with my Kadabra who’s Psycho Cut did almost no damage.


hutchwo

Yup, then blaming the game for cheating


CinderrUwU

First time I came up against a shedinja...


hutchwo

“Oh so they’re psycut hits more than mine even tho my Pokémon is higher level? Game is cheating and they’re not even hiding it what the heck” proceeds to grind my Pokémon to be 10 levels higher so that They do more damage lmao


ArmadsDurandal

I just assumed Kadabra sucked. If only I had kept Psybeam or something.


dumbasseryman

All 8 year old me knew is that if the move had a higher base power it was better. This of course led to me always using surf over waterfall on my shiny gyarados.


Randarserous

saaaaaame


criffo

Surf is nice for Double battles tho so it wasn’t a complete loss.


Dogmadez

Sadly if it was on his shiny gyrados, it probably was in gen2 before double battles.


Mystic_Outlaw

If it was gen 2 then it wouldn’t matter anyway


JesusM5137

Unless hgss


Anti-charizard

That’s technically gen 4


JesusM5137

The original guy never said which gen just that it was shiny gyarados. So people assumed it was gen 2 but it may have been gen 4 HGSS


theguywhoisonreddit1

Hey anti charizard we meet again


criffo

I’m hoping it was a trade up or HGSS, but we may never know.


thomasp3864

Could be HGSS


HopeFragment

Is it? Dealing damage to the ally sucks. I only liked using Surf in doubles in gen 3 before it started hurting the ally.


CinderrUwU

Most of the time the ally sucked tho. The rivals as allies usually send out their "regional route 1 nornal type" Not to mention that they usually have 4-6 pokemon by the time you are using surf anyway so the vattle will be over by then


HopeFragment

No, not those. I'm talking about normal double battles where you're sending out two of your own Pokemon. Sure those aren't that common in gen 4, but the person was saying Surf is good enough for doubles like it makes picking Surf over Waterfall worth it on a Gyarados.


criffo

I always had accompanying Pokémon. Part of doubles is planning around that. Like using Earthquake with a partner that has levitate.


HopeFragment

Of course, but how do you avoid Surf damaging your ally? Storm Drain? Very few Pokemon have that, so it's way more specific and niche than pairing an Earthquake user with a flying/levitate Pokemon. Note I'm not talking about the metagame at all with this. In the meta the whole point is planning around things, so of course you will, but in the actual game doubles are so rare, what is the point of having a Pokemon with Surf and then *specifically* choosing one of 4 Pokemon that have access to Storm Drain (2 of which only have it via hidden ability) just so your Surf doesn't hurt your own Pokemon in a handful of battles? Unless you're playing a water monotype run where Gastrodon or Lumineon are available, you probably would be unable to do that. That or Protect but who uses Protect in-game? The best strategy by far for in-game is to just have 4 damaging moves.


lamstradamus

just use a grass pokemon or something that's not very effective. or heal it. It wasn't ideal but also wasn't a huge issue


criffo

I do agree. For the most part I do gravitate to Pokémon with those abilities. Storm Drain Cradily is one of my faves. So while surf won’t land in that sweet spot for most (if not all) of the PVE doubles battles, I’d personally still go for a stab surf on 2 enemies and hurt my partner Pokémon (Swap beforehand to possibly lessen the impact) than stab Waterfall on one. I do think Surf being a staple move and HM gives it some unnecessary weight. I don’t maximize efficiency when playing the story tho. And add on the fact that my Pokémon are usually over leveled, risk of surf being a hinderance is low.


CalpolAddict

I just played it safe with Earthquake spam! Nothing will survive and earthquake for long (enter the flying specialist Lance)


RazorLeafie

Same. I used Blast Burn on Charizard and Dragon Pulse on Garchomp


HUGE_HOG

I think everyone's Red Gyara had icy wind, surf and dragon breath.


fiatecraisler

Imported RSE's Absol, changed ALL moveset


Theolis-Wolfpaw

I remember doing that with my Mightyena and their Shadow Balls and then being somewhat frustrated they could only learn Crunch as a Poochyena.


fiatecraisler

So sad learnsets... Same to Shiftry and Extrasensory >(


Fern-ando

Tyranitar using hyperbeam in the movies was really stupid by game logic.


samahiscryptic

Ash running Hyper Beam on Heracross was painful to watch


Fern-ando

40 special attack stat.


samahiscryptic

*special attack stat


thomasp3864

Wait, he still uses it???? Even after the physical/special split?


samahiscryptic

In the Tobias fight, yes


The_sad_zebra

The anime saw Pikachu knock out an onix with a thunderbolt.


No_Stick7032

For some reason all my Pokémon that are supposed to be physical attackers have higher special a lot of the time


DanielleJ097

Special attacking boosting natures or evs?


No_Stick7032

I don't normally check that but most likely


_ENDR_

My empoleon knew 4 water moves. Surf, waterfall, whirlpool, ane bubblebeam. I did this because I figured out STAB early in the game because bubble always did more damage than tackle (without regarding type effectiveness) and I didn't realize it gained steel type when it evolved from prinplup into empoleon.


I-dont-hate-fish

My first game was platinum and I was convinced for some stupid reason that because chimchar learned ember at a really early level and had practiced it more than any other move ember was a better move to run over flamethrower. I still don’t really understand why lol


Staravia

To be fair, that sort of logic would be totally reasonable in the Mystery Dungeon spin off games, where you are encouraged to "level up" moves by using them often!


ButtersTG

Only in gates and onward. Rescue teams and Exlorers i make it better to swap to new moves instantly.


LordGuitchi

Actually, you would still want to keep those moves in Rescue Team and Explorers, but for a different reason: they have a lot of PP, which is helpful if you don't want to depend on finding or bringing items to recover PP, while still being powerful enough to one-shot or 2-shot most common foes.


ButtersTG

Max Elixers are everywhere though.


AedraRising

Wait, how'd you not figure out that your Empoleon was a Steel type? Isn't it literally in the Summary screen?


_ENDR_

I didn't pay a lot of attention. I only see things I'm looking for.


TheForlornGamer

Could've used Giga Impact, fam. Basically the Phys equivalent to Hyper Beam.


cesiumbathbomb

Yeah but it doesn’t look as cool


StreetMackerelEU

Gen 1 hyper beam sound gives me spine chills it was so rad


zKerekess

I'm just glad they took the original sound effect of Hyper Beam back in gen 6 and onward.


tsubasaplayer16

gen 2's was better overall imo


GibbeyGator102

True, when Cynthias garchomp hit me with that I was in awe


_Boodstain_

I remember those days, I had a Luxray with Discharge instead of Thunder Fang, and a Rampardos with Surf lol


zKerekess

Surf Rampardos is viable! New meta


SarcasticTwat6969

Had a Weavile running ice beam and was always sorely disappointed


FireKingDono

The very first time I played Pokémon red when I was young, after beating the first gym, I taught my Charmander “bide” because that was the TM we got so I assumed it was a strong move, even though I had no idea how it worked, and I would just spam it until something happened.


level100metapod

My first game was saphire had marshtomp against may just before mawville and i couldnt beat her no matter what. Bide was the move that won me the battle. One of my all time favourite moves


Dennarb

I'm ashamed to admit I just now realized the difference between sp atk and atk... I've been playing close to 20 years...


7xNero7

What do you mean just now ? After reading this meme ? Edit : ah this is r/pokemon and not r/stunfisk, honestly seeing the number of very casual players on this sub I don't think it's that bad, not like it really matters for the completion of the game


Bean_Soup7357

r/stunfisk exists???


aureas-and-nuages

its like competitive smogon's mascot yeah 😂 alongside koffing ofc


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Zero_Millennium

It’s one of the best mons ever made, if not the best.


Kapiork

"One of the best mons ever made, if not the best" Untiered/NU in every gen except XY, where it was PU Unless you're talking about design, then I admit, it's pretty funny.


SuperHolySheep

it's a meme you dip


Dennarb

Yeah I'm definitely a casual player. Don't have time for much more than a quick play session during work breaks or just before bed most days ..


RPG_Haven

Bro what


Dennarb

Yeah... I feel a little silly...


RPG_Haven

It's OK, I'm just wondering how that's possible. Did you never look at your Pokemon's stats? Did you never pay attention to the level up messages?


Dennarb

Honestly no idea, I knew it was a stat, but just ignored it over ATK and DEF. Guess I just assumed those were more important.


RPG_Haven

Well, you're about to get a lot better at Pokemon ;)


Dennarb

That's for sure, honestly shocked I was able to beat Heart Gold a second time recently without knowing this...


EmpressIsa

I mean...All the pokemon games you can just brute force by over leveling sooo 😂


ObtuseSage

You remind me of young me when I was playing Crystal in early 2000s. I had no idea what it meant, so I always raised Attack indiscriminately. Lol


DonKong569

To be fair, I played since red and blue and it didn't occur to me the difference between special attack moves and physical attack moves, ivs, evs, and the like until around sw/sh. I usually used the good old jrpg tactic of grinding to overpower my problems


DragonTypeEnjoyer

Me keeping Ember on my Cinderace all the way until after the Champion battle (I even had Pyro Ball so there was no reason to have it)


WiseHost

This was me when red came out This is still me now


Jayfeather90

In Red Hyperbeam was indeed physical though ;-)


WiseHost

Shut up nerd


InternationalFrog

Me wondering why my Galvantula's cross poison did almost no damage


MetroidBoomin

I’ll be honest, I’m so used to the p/s split, that I’m genuinely confused as to how I played so many Gen 3 games. It probably also explains why I thought Emerald was such a hard game lol


RazorLeafie

I was wondering why my Ice Beam was only doing 14% on a Salamence when I was using a Chansey.


7DPieces

Chansey’s base sp atk is actually much higher than its phys. Chansey is just terrible as an offensive pokemon altogether.


cesiumbathbomb

Chansey/Blissey is a punching bag, it can get hit all day long but it won’t hit back very hard


7DPieces

Even then, it’s only good as a spec def tank. Its base defense and atk are both 5. While you could get by with just hp alone, chances are you aren’t taking many hits by physical attacks before going down.


cesiumbathbomb

Yeah true, a hit from one strong fighting type attack and it’s gone. So I guess a punching bag was a terrible analogy lol


Kapiork

Mental punching bag


tsubasaplayer16

ice beam wouldn't be a bad idea, if it was blissey. chansey is not a very good attacking pokemon at all outside of using seismic toss.


Jace524

me playing battle revolution with my Uxie spamming Return


Kapiork

Did it love you?


Jace524

Based on the damage output, no


DewbiePal

What if you are a psycho that trains 252 evs into special attack on your bisharp? Not that I would ever do that…..


OniOnii-chan

OR giving Surf to Tyranitar, Rampardos, etc.


jak94c

I had a machoke with fireblast when I was a kid. I was not a supreme strategist.


Kapiork

Don't worry, Stadium had a rental Machamp with Fire Blast.


jak94c

At last, a worthy opponent.


GibbeyGator102

That’s kinda hype though, kid me would be all over that lmao


marcwithnok

You're not playing pokemon if your whole team doesnt have hyper beam


skin-mac

Like when Ash's Heracross learned Hyper Beam, bruh


supermariobruhh

That’s ok. Seven year old me played Pokémon red/yellow and had a pikachu with thunder shock, thunderbolt, thunder, and thunder wave. Really thought I was making the most of STAB by making all moves the same type. 😂


choosegooser

Growing up I wasn’t aware their wasn’t a physical/special split prior to gen 4. Playing Gen 2-3 I always thought it was common sense to make moves like fire punch deal physical damage. I feel GF really dropped the ball on taking so long to actually split attacking moves up.


ObtuseSage

You young whipper snappers didn’t have to deal with the nonsense of Gust and Shadow Ball being physical attacks, while Leaf Blade and Ice Punch were special attacks! (Although Alakazam having the elemental punches be all special was awesome in Gen 2!)


GibbeyGator102

Ah but you see I did eventually play Yellow, and not only was gust a physical attack but it was NORMAL type at first. Weird stuff


BakeWorldly5022

Earthquake


Dr_Flavor

I always gave my luxray thunder


Soulxolz

Haha cool lazer go brrr


MannyP2501

Oh man the memories of me just giving my pokemon an attack with a high number just because it was a high number (including the accuracy) unable to understand what it meant because the game was in another language but still doing it anyways.


pkmnoob123

and when it comes as missed or failed i would get damn irritated


pokeDad88

I replayed Gen 1 the other day and had no idea about what was physical and special I had to have my sons Pokédex out to figure out what was what.


ModernDrengr

I longingly look back on Gen 2 and my Typhlosion with Thunder Punch, back when all electric moves were special attacks...


Pollo_Jack

They didn't say what attacks used what stats so who could blame you, or me?


Summerclaw

They did, Moves that use the Attack stat had a Red Icon and Moves that use the Special Attack stat had a Blue Icon.


Pollo_Jack

Hey, I needed it spelled out for my 12 year old dumb ass.


LtForte

they had that in gen 4?


Subject-Breath-4323

bruh how is this still me? 😂i just learn moves with the coolest sounding names and different colors


datfurryboi01

This was me with incinaroar using flamethrower I checked recently and its spe attack was decent


Slowmobius_Time

I'm glad I'm not the only one


LolzinatorX

My first 4-5 years of playing pokemon tbh. It took a really long time for me to effectively learn and use the special/physical moves, and Even longer to learn the value of status moves. My first games where gen3 so it Didnt matter at the time, it took me Even longer to realize it was based on the moves typing than it took me to learn special attacks for special attackers and physical attacks for physical attackers lol


crimsonkarma13

They need to add attacks that use both spatk and atk and make it for hyperbeam cuz all we want to see is cool looking pokemon shooting cool azz lasers


Level_Grapes

I remember every attack had to be damaging and one guy would have infernape with fire blast blast burn flamethrower and close combat then a lucario with aura sphere close combat focus blast and force palm


Fightingthetears

Me with gen.2 spamming leer because it looked like cyclops laser eyes at the time.


MemeGodFusionK

Pimpnite: first time?


Deathappens

Me but Gen 2 tbh.


jsjzn

Idk how and why but I beat fire red E4 with an arcanine with hyper beam and overheat


gaspush

Hyper Bean


blackrose4242

I learned about it this year playing Shield, and I’ve been playing since Leafgreen.


MeQuista

That Slaking hyper beam in emerald really slapped tho


TheSickness1

I remember having an absol with crazy high attack in emerald and tried using it in the battle frontier.. had like fire blast, ice beam, thunderbolt.. forgot the last but probably shadow ball which was at least physical in gen3


SailorSafs

I used a Togekiss in my platinum playthrough when I was younger and taught it both fly and air slash. Whenever I was up against a strong Pokemon with my Togekiss out, I would always use fly instead of air slash because of the higher base power, and so I thought it would do more damage than if I used air slash. Years later after I became educated, I got so mad at myself for how dumb I was with my Togekiss because air slash had always been the MUCH better option and I could've avoided some really tight battles if I just went with that over fly.


Sablemint

Its still weird to me. I was 12 when Red and Blue came out in the US. Ive been playing Pokemon since before OP was born >_>


CrypticWolf1

Luckily for me, 7 yr old me just likes cool looking Pokemon and seeing as my first game was x and y there were cool looking special and physical attackers.


TheExistence

8 yo me thought sp. atk was for critical hits


Zeta_Fish1

I remember a couple years ago I taught my Kadabra Psycho Cut luckily a couple minutes later I learned "hey wait this move sucks because it's physical and Kadabra is special" I think that was the first time I truly realized the importance of having the correct moves for a Pokemon


FreakSlimer

The funny thing is that of you happened to be in 1 gen It would've been a good move in most cases xD


wicked_ultima

I had a garchomp back when I played X And let it run Draco Meteor


Adventurous_Author56

I’m 31 and I still don’t get it


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