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[Meirov] Zach Ertz played last night for the #Eagles. Per league rules, he's not allowed to play again this week. So he's out Sunday vs. Cleveland. One game per player per week.

[Meirov] Zach Ertz played last night for the #Eagles. Per league rules, he's not allowed to play again this week. So he's out Sunday vs. Cleveland. One game per player per week.

Andrewski18

I think Philly and Arizona fans can make a mutual agreement that last night’s game never happened. Suit him up


MonoGiganto

Honestly probably better for you that he doesn’t anyway. No way he’ll be up to speed on your offense that quickly.


Margravos

Serious question, couldn't Kyler just tell him what to do in the huddle? It's not like the defense would hear him and it takes like one second to say "ten yard cross". Obviously that doesn't work in the long term, but why can't that work for like twenty plays?


UrethraFrankl1n

It probably could work here and there, but timing is going to be the biggest issue. Plus receivers generally don’t just have one route to run. They typically have a few depending on the defense. And then they can also go deeper or shallower if it’ll get them in a soft spot of the defense. So that’s a lot of factors that can come in play.


L-methionine

That first point could be major, but sitting in the soft spot of coverage is more about knowing defenses than knowing the offense to my understanding


fullboxed2hundred

knowing the other routes that are being run on that play affects where the soft spots will be


LeonardaDaMincemeat

Some WR routes can change depending on where the coverage goes. If the safety bites one way, a post for the WR3 becomes a flag. Then you've got the issue that Ertz hasn't been watching any film on Cleveland to prep for this game. And then there's hurry up offenses, where Kyler definitely does *not* have the time to give Ertz a rundown. Also, we can't forget about run plays where he might block which adds an additional wrinkle.


MonoGiganto

>> Also, we can't forget about run plays where he might block Eh it’s Ertz. We can forget about those.


MonoGiganto

They could try but there’s enough nuance at the NFL level that it’s probably more trouble than it’s worth. - Obviously you eat up extra play clock having to explain the play to him so you risk wasting timeouts or drawing delay of game penalties. - In addition to the route, you’ve also got to communicate where he’s lining up in the formation, and whether he’s on the LOS. - He probably won’t have the offense’s timing down so you risk false starts or him potentially getting off the LOS late. No knowledge of the other routes being run adds its own complications. - It would also limit Kyler’s audible options since someone in the formation might not know them. He could probably work out some of this on his own before Sunday, but the team would have no opportunity to see for themselves. Just overall not worth the risk, especially for a guy who doesn’t bring much as a blocker.


Cre47

I object!!!


Eaglezzz

#O B J E C T I O N


Saitsu

Overruled!


Flynnstone03

-NFL anti-fun committee


crystalmerchant

Because it's *devastating* to my case!


KickinWing25

Wait there was a game last night???


ositola

I hear that as you forfeit your last game and I agree


whatifevery1wascalm

So could a player in theory play Monday Night, get traded Tuesday and then play Thursday Night for their new team?


BustyUncle

Theoretically and hypothetically yes maybe


picklejar_at_steves

Imagine playing a delayed west coast game that went to OT Monday night, getting traded and playing an east coast 1:00 game on thanksgiving. Thursday. Hypothetically, that would blow


Shaggy1324

Isn't the trade deadline before then?


picklejar_at_steves

True. So then yeah, it would an 8:20est start would be the fastest? Idk? Are there still early MNF start times week 2 before byes start?


Shaggy1324

The shortest possible turnaround would be that late west coast Week 1 Monday night game, then Week 2's Thursday night game. Of course, last year we had a Wednesday game because of Covid, as well as a Tuesday game. Getting traded after that to a Thursday team would be even more extreme.


DirtySperrys

Yes :(


FunMoistLoins

Someone could still get released I guess.


Seealpp

You forgot possibly!


xzElmozx

I guess so yea. Monday is the last game of a week and Thursday the first. Would be fucked for that player unless they’re a low impact position like a kicker or something


whatifevery1wascalm

That’s weird because both cases are 2 days rest between games.


xzElmozx

It is, but from what I’ve been seeing the verbiage is per league week. Unless there’s another portion that says a player needs X days between games.


Bodie011

That would be great for fantasy lol


RayLiotaWithChantix

How? Fantasy week Monday then Thursday would be different weeks as well, you would still only get to play them once per week.


Bodie011

I mean if ertz was able to play Thursday and then this weekend


rhinguin

That would be 3 games within 7 days though. No way he’d perform well.


Bodie011

Nothing some PEDs couldn’t help out with


latman

No coach would actually make a player play in that scenario


yeldarbhtims

Maybe especially a kicker, because half of them seem to be injured and the other half seem to suck.


1CUpboat

And because of 2 days rest, it would be a bad idea to play him. But the league would allow it since that would not allow the player to play in more games than the rest of the league (ignoring bye weeks).


KingOfTheYetis

It’s a monetary protection, not at all about days of rest. The League doesn’t give a shit about these dude’s bodies. But a player being able to play twice in a single “game week” means he gets extra stats (contract escalators) and is probably due an extra game check.


brenstl

While that might well be a factor, they *do* allow players to play an “extra game” if they get traded from a team that hasn’t had a bye week yet to a team that already had theirs.


personpersoncatcat

Less about playing, more about paying. Beyond the player health and playbook issues, they can’t have a situation where someone getting their salary for 17 regular season games suddenly gets an 18th regular season game. What team is responsible for the double salary? Where does it fall in the salary cap? Are their performance incentives split across a season or 17 games? What if they hit those incentives with an 18th game? Also No player would play that extra game for free.


Shaggy1324

Players get paid on the bye week, too. If your salary is $18M, you get paid a million dollars eighteen times.


personpersoncatcat

Oops I’m an idiot. It’s still a lot of money though. That player making $18,000,000 for 18 weeks being forced to play a 19th game for free would not sit well with the player of the NFLPA. Teams also wouldn’t want to add another $1,000,000 to make them play an extra game. I’m convinced it’s half for safety and half for logistics/money.


Shaggy1324

No......there are 18 weeks, 18 paychecks, and 17 games for each team. If you get traded from the right team to the right team, you'd have 18 weeks, 18 paychecks, but 18 games.


personpersoncatcat

Yes. I agree on the number of weeks and games. I’m saying if a player played 18 games across 18 weeks, that would likely cause a pay dispute. They agree to a 17 game regular season across 18 weeks. In theory this would lead to a player playing 19 games in a season. If the Eagles had a week 13 bye and Arizona had a week 5 bye, a player like Ertz getting traded on a Friday after a Thursday night game and playing on Sunday would lead to a player having a 19 game season


Shaggy1324

And I'm telling you it won't. A player who is on a roster all 18 weeks gets 18 even checks, whether the team was on a bye or played in San Francisco or London. The only difference is taxes for the location of the game.


throwaway3838482923

I don’t think that’s an issue. Players in the other major sports leagues could play 82+ games sometimes


personpersoncatcat

Those other leagues have soft caps and the salary is distributed across a higher number of games. Football also has a higher physical toll on the body because you aren’t supposed to tackle people in the MLB or NBA. Risk of injury for each game increases. Higher risk of injury increases the risk of paying a guy who can’t play. Zach Ertz makes $5.66m this year. That’s roughly $333,000 per game in an NFL season. In basketball, it’s $69,000 per game. In baseball it is $35,000 per game. $333,000 is half of a rookie minimum contract. It’s also about 12.8% of the remaining cap space for Arizona. I am not a cap expert, but $333,000 is a lot of money. As a Browns fan, I saw a WR I liked (Hodge) get cut over a couple hundred thousand dollars. The dollar amount decreases when you look at rookie contracts, but imagine what we would be talking about if a guy like Odell Beckham Jr was traded. He makes $923,500 per game. That’s almost 75% remaining cap space for the Colts at this time. Getting paid 18/17 weeks is a big deal in the NFL!


TheHillsHavePis

This actually happened recently. Can't remember who, but they got traded before their original team's bye week to a team that just had their bye. So the player played 17 games (when there was only 16)


GigaNutz370

Emmanuel sanders


Frobulator

Yes because they are different nfl weeks. But I dont see any team making a starter play that quickly unless a small roll player. They also wouldn't be up to snuff playbook wise


RNGeebs

It’s an NFL week so not just 7 days


FC37

Thursday to Monday? ❌ Monday to Thursday? ✅ ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


Donovan_Wilson_GOAT

Still the same week though


A_Monocle_For_Sauron

The NFL week spans Tuesday morning to Monday night.


Donovan_Wilson_GOAT

I never said nfl. Guess I should have add “technically”


Raw_Cocoa

Nfl week is the only thing that's relevant


Donovan_Wilson_GOAT

Yes captain obvious, but I’m saying it’s still technically the same week.


Raw_Cocoa

And why is that relevant


Donovan_Wilson_GOAT

Who said it’s relevant?


IPA_Fanatic

Likelyhood of Arizona and Dallas getting flexed from a 1 PM game to primetime if their play continues like this?


RedSweed

Yes please


apawst8

That's a week 17 game. You're jinxing both teams by asking for a flex this early.


azrebb

Good... Good.


SammyMhmm

I think AZ will definitely! They’re playing so well


LawBobLawLoblaw

Don't, just don't. Az fans are fragile hearted creatures, and any sort of praise immediately causes us to fear a sky fall event. We are fearful, and not even a little stitious, we are super stitious.


Archer-Saurus

The DBacks died for this. There can only be one contender at any one time from our major sports. Double-sacrifice for the Suns and Cardinals.


Soft_Turkeys

Dbacks decided before the ‘19 to wait until they move or the Dodgers stop existing to be good again. I’m hoping if my Cowboys and the Cardinals meet in the playoffs the AZ sports curse will over power my Cowboys divisional round curse


berkeley-games

The Cardinals are LITERALLY THE GREATEST TEAM OF ALL TIME


MumkeMode

Wow AZ is looking really great this year huh!


tbonecs

Kyler MVP for sure!


IPA_Fanatic

Both teams are


joremero

He's an eagles fan, don't expect anything but hate


SammyMhmm

I’m sorry is Arizona undefeated? Just because I didn’t say I wanted to fondle Jerry Jone’s dusty nut sack doesn’t mean that I don’t recognize they’re doing well. I love Dak and what he’s doing this season, I had them winning the NFC East this year, but on a whole I think the Cards are the better team this year.


UnkleBourbon42069

He's a Cowboys fan, don't expect anything but a victim complex


SamSeebourne

He's a Washington fan, don't expect anything but calling for the heads of everyone involved in the disgrace of the team right now because Fandom is complicated and you can still love the team and recognize its putrid stink.


UnkleBourbon42069

Fuck Dan Snyder


DreamsAndSchemes

accurate


IPA_Fanatic

What stadium spews shitwater on fans?


UnkleBourbon42069

Technically not ours, it was rainwater. Stadium is a piece of shit though. I haven't been to a game in like a decade


trustthepudding

I don't thin Washington fans are gonna be affected by that clapback. They know the organization is rotten at the core and that the stadium is shit. Also, it was rainwater. Probably not pleasant to get sprayed with, but not human waste.


Tony_Romo-

Oh, you can see now? You couldn't' see you were supporting a racist and misogynistic franchise when you became a fan? Sad.


bythepowerofboobs

Not very good. The Packers are already on Sunday night and they bring great TV ratings, plus I would think Fox would protect this game.


IPA_Fanatic

It the NFCN is wrapped up though, it seems likely


bythepowerofboobs

True, but I still can't see Fox giving up a game of that magnitude. It will likely get moved to an afternoon game though.


Soft_Turkeys

For a Packers Vikings game that probably won’t matter? And they say Cowboys fans are delusional


bythepowerofboobs

Fox has the Cowboys game, not the Packers game. They won't give that up to NBC is what I am saying.


Soft_Turkeys

I see but that’s not how it works, Fox doesn’t get to make the decision the NFL does. Any Sunday game can be flexed to Sunday night now in weeks 5-18 and in week 17 they would only need 6 days notice if the game has playoff implications.


bythepowerofboobs

They don't admit it any more (they only admit that they consult with the networks before flexing a game) but I believe the networks still are able to protect games and have a lot more say than you think they do. This article has some good insight into it: https://www.morganwick.com/nfl-flexible-scheduling-primer/


Soft_Turkeys

Nope NFL makes the schedule if they want a game on prime time it’s gonna happen. Fox and CBS pay more because they get a whole lot more games per year. ESPN is also going to start flexing games starting in 2023 and having more double headers so there will be much more movement starting then. The NFL is king and networks agree to these deals because they really don’t have a choice. Flexes are only limited during weeks 5-10 and you probably won’t see a flex during that time because they do put a lot into making these schedules in the first place. But in the end it’s the NFL’s product and they’ll show it where they want to so we’ll just have to wait and see


bythepowerofboobs

Flex's have supposedly only been limited in weeks 5-10 for the past 6 years, yet we still saw only 2 games flexed to SNF all of last year. There is a reason for that.


DrewFlan

Only Sunday afternoon games are subject to being flexed into the Sunday night window.


IPA_Fanatic

1 PM EST is the afternoon. EST is the time used, not PST


samgoody2303

Roger clearly playing against Ertz this week


TeddysBigStick

email leak incoming.


klein856

If we give him a fake mustache and call him Hertz, could he play?


MyKidsArentOnReddit

There's nothing in the rules that says you *can't* do this.


tallpaleandwholesome

Stupid question. Ok, so 1 game per week. But technically - one could get traded before his bye week to a team that already had their bye week. And would end up playing 18 games. Question is - if that were to happen - how does that work for their per game salary? Do they end up making more money? Or does it get adjusted to account for 1 more game?


Lvl9LightSpell

Your salary is your salary, regardless of how it's divvied up. Most players get (now) 18 checks, so you still get a check on your bye week. Andrew Brandt said that he encouraged players to get paid out over the full year, not just the season, when he was Packers GM. Per-game salary is just a convenient way of thinking about it, but it doesn't actually mean anything.


fortmoney

I am fairly certain that has happened in the past 5 years but I do not remember who


fortmoney

emmanuel sanders, 2019


dontwantleague2C

This happened to Emmanuel Sanders at one point. Dunno what happened tho.


Monski616

You get a “game check” for the bye week anyway I’m pretty sure. So you just get paid like normal but you have another game


Raw_Cocoa

Players get paid for each week whether they play or not. They'd still get 18 checks.


Lukacris12

Imagine the fantasy football meltdown if he played both games


mason240

Every shitty GM out there would be editing the outcome.


Tony_Romo-

It'd be as juicy as last season when Taysom Hill was playing QB as a TE.


MyKidsArentOnReddit

This is a good rule to have. EVen if Ertz can't play, it will give him an extra few days and a game to learn the offense, the playbook, and get used to how the Cardinals run things on the sidelines.


Saitsu

"So you're telling me...the offense is designed to score? In the first three quarters? Get out of here!"


number__ten

In this play we need you to block downfield for a run- Hold up, coach. A what?


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Thank God. Now Arizona will only drop 45 on us, not 52


StickOnTattoos

I like you.


DeMimsyPorpington

#THAT’s RUBBISH!


yoda133113

Arizona activates little known player from their PS, Ach Zertz, TE.


TOGHeinz

Huh, I guess that means Brady can't swing some kind of deal with two franchises where he gets traded repeatedly between them, pumping his stats further and being the single-season winningest QB possible.


yarmulke

Oh come on I could use those extra fantasy points


acripaul

Errrr Monday night football and then Sunday? How does that work then?


doctorvictory

Those are technically different weeks in the NFL's eyes. The league doesn't prohibit 2 games in 7 days, just 2 games in the same NFL calendar week (can't play two games in Week 6 but can play a Week 5 game on Monday and a Week 6 game on Sunday).


ViibeeCS

So technically you could play Monday for 1 team, get traded, then play on Thursday with the other?


moldymoosegoose

Also means you could play the same team twice in 3 days!


justaboxinacage

There might be another rule for short rest on the Monday and Thursday situation. That's shorter rest than they allow in general, so I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't allowed on a per player basis.


acripaul

Yeh so then swap them around as you say. Sunday then Thursday, Monday and Thursday. Short week. I think this rule doesn't exist. Probably more like you can't play for two separate teams in the same week.


medievalmachine

Such a weird rule. Must be due to game-based compensation/bonuses.


notathr0waway1

No it's an old timey rule so you can't have some amazing player play for two different teams each week. Otherwise for example two teams could just trade Tom Brady back and forth every week and he would play for two teams.


theamericandream38

Yeah this is it. There's all kinds of anticompetitive fuckery you could get in to if there was no rules regarding this


MyKidsArentOnReddit

No, it's because the human body simply can't take two NFL games in one week.


SlinkyJr

Thursday -> Sunday = 👎👎 Sunday -> Thursday = 😎


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TmanzillaNace

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say within the 90 odd years since 1926 and now.


Real_Ice_4983

Dude...


apawst8

The best thing about the 1926 season is that the Cardinals were the defending champs that season.


Dougary96

1926 was literally 95 years ago lmao. Some things have changed since that time


acripaul

Few years ago the Bears had a crazy number of games in a short window. Possibly covering thanksgiving?


RayLewisCreamSuit

Why on earth did the Eagles play him? What if he got hurt? Just seems foolish to play him when you knew he would be dealt. No way this deal hinged on them losing the game last night - right?


dingus_prime

Give him a chance to get one more game in with the fans, especially while Godert was out for the week under Covid protocol.


Truci219

To showcase him so a team knows he has something left?


MattRice15

The touchdown may have upped his value just a bit.


RayLewisCreamSuit

Yeah this isn't fantasy football


RayLiotaWithChantix

Yeah NFL teams don't care if a guy can score. What?


RayLewisCreamSuit

Yeah bro, good thing Ertz caught that wide open 5 yard touchdown yesterday otherwise teams would have no idea he could do that. Excellent points you are making dude!


Dougary96

He ran solid crisp routes last night and was clearly a focal point more than other weeks. Was open several times


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LavishSyndrome

He played Thursday


the1godanswers2

Wonder if that rule was implemented with foresight or because someone tried to attempt it


RemyH

Although the funny thing is, I have Ertz in fantasy, and put him in last night. Now that he has been traded I keep the fantasy points he got, but now can put in a new TE...


MM487

It would've been funny if Ertz played three games in eight days.


VermtownRoyals

Yes, but what about Mac Jertz?


Agnonzach

That is lame low key


tb8592

Cite me the rule please


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ArminTanz

Every week two teams play two games, four days apart.


GrizzlyRob97

Seems like bullshit considering Thursday Night Football exist. ‘One game a week’ except for when ~100 lucky players only get 3 full days between games


VirginiaVelociraptor

The league week begins on Tuesday or Wednesday—I forget which, so although teams play Sunday and Thursday of the same week, they're different league weeks. Teams never play two games within the same league week.


GrizzlyRob97

No, I get that. I’m saying the league week is an arbitrary distinction, and that this rings hollow when you’re making millions of dollars by having players play multiple games in one non-arbitrary week. I only bring it up because players have complained about it before


mordeci00

No it's not. Allowing a player to play 1 game a week, no matter when the league week officially starts means that if the game is played early there's automatically an extra rest period on the other side. Playing Thursday to Sunday isn't the issue. Playing Sunday>Thursday>Sunday is the issue.