Although TV gets a better rep these days, the talent that Netflix managed to attract for its shows is impressive nonetheless.

Although TV gets a better rep these days, the talent that Netflix managed to attract for its shows is impressive nonetheless.


Kingpin and Kilgrave were top notch villains


I still get chills thinking about D'Onofrio's ill intent monologue!


I genuinely don’t have anything backing this up but some redditor commented that D’Onofrio will show up in Hawkeye in some capacity


God I hope so.. his kingpin was a pleasure. Really made me want to excel in business! What an inspiration :D Yoo, and shoutout to punisher. Season 1 is god damn intense. Season 2 (with jagged face or whatever) was good but... I was like, that dude is still hella attractive, easy 9 / 10, going to get babes left and right. It's like pretty boy who has literally every babe in the world goes down from G Clooney to Matt Damion level and becomes a terrorist. That was basically the only thing that didn't set that up. He'd need almost a deadpool'esque level of destruction to move into the 7s, or the Jason Batemans, as they say in the biz.


Call Jason Bateman a 7 ONE more time...I'm just gonna........\[inhale...exhale\]


I swear to god, they need to bring him back, as much as Cox. Best marvel TV show, even with the new ones out, is Daredevil.


Man I do keep seeing articles and rumors that Cox will be in the new Spider-Man. That would be sweeeet


The fact that he canceled some fan appearances the same day that Spider-Man reshoots are going on is just to juicy


Don't do that. Don't give me hope.


He will be, Peter's attorney


I'd be so bummed if he was just a normal attorney and they cast him as just an easter egg 😔


Hahahahahaha like Ralph fuckin boner, although these people know what makes them money, and definitely know daredevil, Jessica Jones and kingpin have a lot of fans after the Netflix series


JJ season 1 was the darkest show to date just because of the material they were working with.


\>A blind man enters the room. \>"Mister Parker, stop talking." \>"Who the hell are you?" \>"I'll be representing Peter Parker, I'm Charlie Cox." \>"Heh, cocks."


Looking at you Quicksilver!


Daredevil Season 3 is the best entry in the MCU.


The hallway scene, where he saves the kid in season 1, actually had me cheering. Epic on every single level. If they don't make Cox Daredevil they'll be riots.


I'm now believing this is 100% fact, and will be very disappointed if it's false.


"Dont set your expe-" Fuck that, I'm rewatching daredevil at the moment and after reading these comments I will be very dissapointed if DD doesn't show up in NWH, as well as with Kingpin showing up in Hawkeye.


There were a lot of Charlie Cox will be in Spiderman 3 as well. I hope they soft canonise them, and they can start including them in films and new TV shows, the casting was so good.


I have one and only one major issue with Kingpin in the series, and it was absolutely the writing and not the acting. In the third season, kingpin gets some bad news, asks for the mans jacket, then kills him under it to avoid blood. The man he is talking to is in no way to blame for the problem. Kingpin had been portrayed to that point absolutely as a don't kill the messenger type. It took them visiting his mother before he was willing to kill a media personality. The fact is that one scene undermined much of how they portrayed him up until that point. In the same episode (or the one adjacent?) he refused to hurt or even threaten the owner of the painting he loved, and noticing the blood on it when Dex retrieved it was a big deal. One scene, and they undermined the whole image. I really wish they would have not included it.


Fisk was clearly acting irrationally because of his attachment to Wesley.


Tbf, Kingpin only relented on the painting bc he was thinking of what >!Vanessa would have wanted.!< I think he is better described not as someone who would never kill the messenger, just someone who gets really upset if it's related to his loved ones. In the case of the FBI agent you mentioned, iirc that was when he received news that >!Karen hadn't been killed, which upset him bc Karen killed his best friend Wesley.!<


I didn't know David Tennant could be so god damn terrifying


Just smile... So terrifying, for me it's the best work he's ever done


I will never forget "Jessica!" so haunting.


Literally can’t even meet someone named Jessica irl without hearing his voice


Kilgrave is literally what I expected the doctor to be if he were evil.


He was wasted in the brief role as Barty Crouch Jr.


The tongue flick (which Tennant came up with) still creeps me out




The "Baaarttty Crroooouuchh .... junior" yell stuck with me too.




The best villains in the mcu imo


To be honest, when you have a TV show, it's easier to learn about the villain more, than let say, a movie. I think the thing that is hurting the Disney+ show are that, the villains are almost only shown at the end, where the Netflix show them almost right from the start


I haven't watched JJ in a while, but IIRC Kilgrave didn't show up for the first few episodes either - but you could feel his effect on Jessica from episode 1 which was *really* cool.


Neither did Fisk, Diamondback or the Hand.


Diamondback was so lackluster after marshala's performance


After Cottonmouth's demise, Luke Cage just wasn't the same. Miranda did not have the same presence as a villain.


That's why I said " almost right from the start"


It is also why Thanos is such a good villain. It isn't because we saw bits and pieces of him over ten years, because it didn't add much to him but some allure... it is because Infinity War isn't an Avenger film but a Thanos movie. It follows his ascendency and journey through the perspectice of the Avengers


This is how I describe No Country For Old Men: it’s a movie about Javier Bardem’s character, told from the perspective of the people caught in his wake.


Also, the Disney+ shows keep relying on having a “big reveal” of the villain/plot in the finale instead of actually spending time developing the character and their motives. I get they are trying to build suspense to keep people tuning in to each episode on a weekly basis, but when you watch them all together, it really hurts the storyline as a whole.


> To be honest, when you have a TV show, it's easier to learn about the villain more, than let say, a movie. Very true. Makes the depth that Killmonger and Vulture achieved in just one movie so much more impressive.


Nah it's the context. Netflix didn't have big blockbuster movies to build around, the d+ shows are borderline fillers and set-ups.


You see, I think that IS the problem. Since all the Disney+ show are linked to the movies, you can almost never have a resolution without teasing something else with the characters for a next movie. That make using big reveal at the end of the show a huge condition for hyping the next movie. But the big reveal underutilise the villains since we dont see a lot of them just like villains of Wanda and Loki. When I think about Killgrave or Kingpin, I remember all the scene he's been through, all the journey we had. Now look at Loki's villain, it's just a small episode, for a much bigger role in the future


I just think it's what the show is about. The subject of WandaVision wasn't her conflict with Agatha, it was her grief. The conflict with Agatha only served to push the plot forward, because without an external source of conflict Wanda wouldn't have been forced to face her grief. But the show was about the grief and so the grief took center stage. Falcon and the Winter Soldier more heavily focused on John Walker because it was partially about his journey. It didn't focus on the Flag Smashers because it wasn't about their journey, they were also just an external source of conflict to move the plot. Loki similarly wasn't about conflict with He Who Remains, it was about Loki and Sylvie's journeys of self discovery. Same thing, the bad guy was actually just there to give them a goal to work towards. The shows are focusing on what they want to focus on. They are telling the story they want to tell.


\^this user gets it


Majors did an amazing job in his limited screen time though. I feel like I was able to gain quite a bit of knowledge of not just his Nathaniel variant but a glimpse into how the others operate too. Was such a brilliant episode


Fisk is Top 5 at the very least for sure.




That's why he was so terrifying. He wasn't after power, or glory, he genuinely had good intentions. Just a, erm, different, way of going about it.


Season 3 Fisk ended up terrifying me more than Season 1, and he was amazing beyond belief in Season 1. But in Season 3 he was just an overpowering avalanche of control and manipulation that couldn’t be escaped. And he controlled everything.


Fisk is be the best non-superpowered vilain in the MCU. Heck, imagine him in the Black Widow movie (with a less wtf plot that brainwashed widows squad). Black Widow trying to stop an international crime gang and and she found out Fisk is heading it.


I'd also argue for Grant Ward. That dude is not only terrifying, but he's *determined*, and when you put that much anger and vengeance in the hands of a spy, nowhere is safe.


Oh yes, good contender indeed. And he wont just die! It was becoming a running joke between my wife and me how come Grant would always get up and survive for another day.


Stokes was great too, for the first half of the first season before they got rid of him too soon


Not as good as those guys but Luke Cage was never as good after Cottonmouth was there too


Mahershalla Ali was fucking amazing.


That intense little headbop when "Long Live The Chief" is being performed.


That shit was a whole vibe


That scene changed my whole perception of Jidenna. I only knew him for Classic Man before that


I was so damn mad when they killed him, Luke Cage truly went downhill after that, he was amazing as cottonmouth...


He's going to be amazing as Blade


I'm so hyped for blade. I want him to be as iconic as Wesley Snipes


Arguably going to be better I think. Snipes was iconic but Ali is a much better actor imo


True, Snipes had style and martial arts on his side. Ali has top notch acting and high budget CGI


And on top of that he's going to have a much more superhero focused stunt crew that will make it look wild. I'm excited, I have hopes Snipes makes a cameo though


Have him cameo as an IRS agent


Yeeeees.... The fact that he was the one who wanted to portray him means he is going to give his A material to the movie (I mean A material is all he has)...


Diamondback was such a terrible villain to me. Especially with Cottonmouth being fantastic IMO.


I didn't think he was terrible but sadly after having such an amazing villain (and one of the best working actors right now) as your first villain pretty much or you knock it out of the park or everything is going to look like downhill ... The same with David Tennant, he was so great as the Purple man that it was going to be impossible to top that... Maybe the only one I can think not being better but equal is Kingpin and Bullseye in daredevil, you can feel that both were going to be trouble for him for different reasons, but you actually feared for the well being of Matt Murdock... That's how you top an excellent villain, don't make him more physical bigger or meaner, make him a believable treat...


I was perplexed by that decision. If I were the writers I would have been rewriting after seeing his performances. He was the reason that show was so good.


He was only available for half the season. It's why they wrote the season the way they wrote it in the first place. If they wanted Cottonmouth in the full season they wouldn't have had Ali. Mariah Stokes was always meant to be the main villain. That is the whole point of the story. Her realising she is the villain, mirroring Luke realising he's a hero.


If I'm not mistaken there was an interview with, not sure if the creators, writers or who exactly, said that the reason they have to do this is cus Maershalla only had time in his schedule to fill that quantity of episodes, He couldn't do the whole season hence his premature death, I mean I get it, if you have the opportunity to work with him you damn right you're going to take it but it was sad that he gave us such a performance for such short amount of time...


Flip it then. Have him only appear as the BBEG halfway through and Diamondback is his LT or a minor player he steamrolls. Drop hints about him earlier in the season.


Came here to say this same thing. Netflix was knocking out of the park 2 for 2 with Daredevil and Jessica Jones and the Luke Cage hit and as it was progressing I was convinced this was going to be even better. So much character development and a brilliant dynamic between Cage and Cottonmouth... and then they killed him off... the best thing about it... and then - even worse - replaced him with full on cartoon baddie whose sole motivation was 'daddy liked you more than me WTAF!?


He was great, but I still laughed uncontrollably when he pulls up a rocket launcher to blow up Luke [Cage.](https://youtu.be/mvhkaZV4KCk?t=57) It was absurd, unexpected and I loved every second of it.


If you didn't watch it, the second season was great imo, and really picked up from where the first season went wrong. The new villain is super entertaining, and the returning characters pretty much all kill it. Idk why they got rid of Cottonmouth for Diamond Back so early on, it was probably what fucked up the viewer ratings. I was really disappointed when they announced the third was cancelled as it was going in such an interesting direction.


He has got to be the coolest person on the planet. He played that role with such...evil elegance.


I loved all the villains pictured but he is just such a good actor and takes my favorite spot for the Marvel shows. I love seeing him continue to gain more traction on the big screen. First thing I saw him in was this old show called The 4400, he’s come a long way since!


I'd love to see Tennant back in the MCU someday, doesn't even have to be Kilgrave.


Could give Tennant 10 roles in the MCU and I'd still be asking for more...


Tennant killed his role as Doctor Who and then kept on being an absolute gem of a human being


He's one of those actors that if he's attached to a project I'm watching it right away no doubt. Did you watch him in Des? Incredible acting from him.


A surprising one that I loved was Final Space where he plays the lord commander. I didn’t realise it was him at first but he did such a great job.


Me too. As a 25 year old I was 10/11 when he took on the Doctor role and left when I was 15ish so he was truly ‘my’ doctor. As a huge HArry Potter fan I was also so hyped he got a (albeit small) role in that franchise too. I always try and catch everything he does be it Broadchurch, Good Omens, Des etc. Honestly think he’s an incredible actor. His podcast is worth a listen too. He gets great guests


He's *amazing* in Broadchurch. "Millarrrr!"


No shit he plays the Lord Commander? I didn’t even know. He’s also Scrooge McDuck in the newer Duck Tales series.


The fact that he’s in the new Ducktales is the #1 reason I need to finally get around to watching it.




Tennant will forever be my doctor...


But I don't want to go!


The Doctor*


>Could give Tennant **10** roles Ha! Good one. XD


Make him the Jeffery Combs of the MCU lol Jeffery Combs played [like a dozen](https://i.imgur.com/6vhyfYp.jpeg) characters throughout the various Star Trek series, and almost every one of them is a beloved character. Like Tennant, it's mostly thanks to his amazing work and delivery of his characters. In one episode of DS9, he even played one character in the A plot, and another in the B plot.


Probably limited to the tech at the time, but I would have loved a scene with Brunt and Weyoun interacting (Orphan Black style).


Make it thirteen, a full Time Lord regeneration of MCU roles!


I could see him as a wacky space creature. Shame that vol. 3 is the last Guardians film.


It’s probably just the last one by Gunn. Groot and Rocket will definitely be around again.


> and Rocket Oh this is my biggest fear for the third one haha


They never said it’s the last Guardians, they only said the last one of this version of Guardians. They can have a new team or follow Stallone’s team or just do spin offs


Still have Nova and Silver Surfer among others. The Starjammers and the Shi’ar could fill the void as well.


He could do a voice for a character or something


Defenders arc really should be cannon though. I didn't check out Luck Cage, Iron Fist, or Defenders, but DD and JJ were too good to let go imo.


Luke Cage Season 1 is definitely worth checking out. I personally like Cottonmouth more then Kilgrave.


The first half of season one is great, then it takes a sudden nosedive around halfway. Season two was pretty great the whole way through though.


Season 2 had a dip in the middle, it’s great but probably should have been less episodes. I think it’s the crux of a lot of the Netflix shows. They had to fill 12 episodes when they only needed 8 to tell the story.


plus rosario,the guy who played punisher and even had method man shoot a cameo in luke cage and jessica's druggie assistant


Lets not forget the legendary Turk


The door ain’t been built that can keep him out!


I would to have him just show up randomly in the MCU movies.


Muthafuckin Ahsoka!


I swear they better recast Vincent D’Onofrio as Kingpin, he’s perfect, and right next to Charlie Cox’s Daredevil. *Perfection*


As well as Bernthal as Punisher. In fact have all of them in a Spider-Man movie.


God Kingpin in a Spider-Man movie needs to happen. I’ve been watching Walking Dead on D+ and in S2 I can totally see why they cast Bernthal as Punisher, he is perfect as Punisher.


Walking dead on Disney + how? Since when does Disney own that


Through Fox Television.


He's so good at the Frank Marine yell lol


They should try and get as much of the original DD cast as possible, Eldon Henson's Foggy was great.


i really liked bushmaster too






Em a hawd man Fe ded


Doesn’t get enough credit.


I was rooting for him by the end of the season


> bushmaster Mustafa Shakir He really was great.


He was great. Definitely made s2 much better IMO


"Vengeance belong to the lord" "Well the lord can av it back when me done wit it"


Killgrave, kingpin and cottonmouth are straight up some of my favourite villains in any marvel live action property.


Same. Kingpin and Killgrave are all around fan favorites and for good reason. But I feel people don't give enough credit to Ali for his simply amazing performance as Cottonmouth.


I really liked Shades too. He felt like an evil Beastie Boy.


Shades was so badass! Whenever he breathed in season 1 I felt intimidated. In season 2 his story became less intriguing imo.


They should’ve left him a mystery, he was scary when I didn’t know anything about him.




rip shadow king


I loved Defenders but they wasted Signourney Weaver.


Defenders could have been so much more imho, it was really wasted and I hate that… at least the chemistry was perfect and everyone pulled their weight!


Had it been a single 2 hour movie, it probably could have been great. Going the series route trying to pad out the story was its biggest mistake


Other way around: It should've been 10 episodes instead of 8, so there would've been time to develop the 3 new characters, instead of having them just be "Nobu but not dead", "Black villain who dies first", & "hey, that's Sigourney Weaver".


I still don't understand what the fuck the hand were trying to do


Still haven’t forgiven the writers for spending the entire show telling us how badass Alexandra is and then when things popped off, they had her hide in the car.


I wish The Defenders had a slightly bigger production budget. I know it’s supposed to be more grounded but it didn’t feel like an event like it should have been.


It should've been a TV-movie. Use that 8 episode budget for a 2 hour thrill ride.


I think it was an issue of writing more than it was an issue of production. It's easy for me to say stuff like that from the comfort of my armchair, but at some point you have to wonder how come all this setup didn't pay off. The Black Sky being so massive a threat that Stick was willing to kill a young boy to prevent it/him from being used offensively? It's just that the Black Sky is a particularly good martial artist... apparently. Alexandra as a near-immortal cunning leader of the Hand? Stabbed in the back by her own "weapon". You'd think she would have the insight to avoid something so frequent in her line of work after centuries. Similarly, all these extra-powerful "fingers" of the Hand just submitted to Elektra? Feels rather out-of-character for these power-vying beings to bow down to someone simply because that someone had the audacity to stab their previous leader in the back... in their line of work. Danny Rand being a "thundering dumbass" is in-character, but the way Elektra had him on the leash under Midland Circle was dumb even by his standards. It's not "season 8 of *Game of Thrones*" bad, but the overarching plot leaves a lot to be desired. Felt like they had to close this loop somehow and weren't given enough time or resources to do so in a meaningful way.


It should have been like 6 or 8 season finales of the other shows. And they should have gotten Drew Goddard to do it.


And Carrie Anne Moss, she was incredible as Hogarth


She gave her character so much vulnerability and somehow made her sympathetic despite being kind of awful. She killed it as Hogarth


Absolutely, how did she make me care about her? She was completely awful haha. Really, really great performance and character arc


I absolutely think Hogarth deserved what happened at the end of her arc. At the same time I'm conflicted because seeing her get just deserts just made me feel bad for her. At anytime during the show she could have stopped being manipulative scumbag but couldn't help herself.>!Her realizing that she is going to die alone of a terrible disease was horrible to watch.!<


>! Do you think she committed suicide during the last episode? Her last dialogue was “you’re the last mistake I’ll ever make.” !<


Julie-Louise Dreyfuss as Madame Hydra has some of the same vibes for me but Geri was a character I was fully invested from beginning to end.


Full Metal King Pin. C'mon marvel. Bring him to Spiderman.


But keep his brutal rage-head energy


Netflix Marvel is the closest we'll ever get to something like Marvel Knights in the comics. Too bad it didn't last, I would've loved to see more heroes handling street level, more human problems and not just space-time-at-risk problems.


Bullseye deserved a spot on this too :( The actor fucking killed it! He stole the show in Daredevil season 3. The guy's energy was on par with Steven ogg as trevor in Gta 5


The funny thing here is I actually think Steven Ogg would've made a great Bullseye. He was one of my fancast choices for a while when the subject of who could play Bullseye would come up.


Everytime the returns talk is mentioned, I make sure to add Wilson Bethel to the same tier as Cox and D'Onofrio. Fucking terrific performance


They could quite easily slot him into the Thunderbolts lineup.


Plus we got left in a cliffhanger. If DD does in fact make a return to the MCU, the simply have to bring back Bullseye and I hope they give him a more true to the comics look. He was such a good character.


Not Netflix, but the agents of shield cast was also epic and also underrated af


I will never forgive the MCU for wasting Sigourney Weaver on such a lackluster, nothing role.


The entire mismanagement of the Hand plotline was such a massive and unnecessary clusterfuck. Honestly from DD s2 (where they were competing with the Punisher origin story) through IF s1 and the Defenders (with the entirety of their Kunlun origin and dragon bone obsession) they were wasted. Honestly they were a good choice as a big bad organization for all the heroes to fight, but they could have just gone with them being demon worshiping undead ninjas instead of dragon bone hunting undead ninjas just as well. No need to shoehorn in the Kunlun association (they could just be antagonists, not archenemies), lean into the whole "black sky" as a demon thing and the threat to NYC could have just as well been a sacrifice thing. So much wasted potential.


I actually like how they tied the Hand and the Chaste into the Iron Fist mythology, actually. But I just had so many problems with how they set everything up and how they executed it. It all had lots of potential.


My suggestion. Each of their shows should have introduced 1 member of the Hand. Either as the main villain or a side plot, each contributing something for their plan. And then finally Alexandra shows up in Defenders bringing them together against the team.


I still remember when Stick basically mentioned that Japanese finger as this incredibly evil and vicious fucker, and the dude just fights with tonfas the entire series. Also, if you want to make the five fingers of The Hand intimidating, don’t have one of them basically die in Iron Fist S1. God, Bakuto was such a shit character. I’m sure the actor is good in other stuff, but he was woefully miscast in this.


I feel like ninja-centric storylines either simply have bad luck, or typically just don’t translate well in live-action. They barely featured in Batman Begins and were overshadowed by DD S2’s subplot. Ironically, they were okay in Arrow.


If Ali can come back, so can she.


True that. Her character is dead, meaning she's free to play another one.


With the Multiverse, she can easily come back as someone else.


Don't even have to be dead. See Michelle Yeoh.


Idk though. Sigourney Weaver is legendary of course, but her roles and even acting have been a little awkward over the past couple of decades.


I mean, they can bring back anyone, in any role, and not have to justify it anymore.


Agreed. I really loved Kingpin and Kilgrave


Not trying to champion anything but a friendly reminder that THE Bill Paxton managed to bring an incredible presence to the first season and Kyle Machlachlan did the same for the second of Agents of Shield.


Paxton = John Garrett MacLachlan = Cal (Skye/Daisy’s dad) …just FYI for anyone like me who didn’t know the actors’ names for those two characters


Netflix got the heavy hitters, AoS got all the fun character actors. Paxton, MacLachlan, Brad Dourif, Jerry O’Connell (Edit: meant [Rob Huebel] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Huebel)), Adrianne Palicki, Lucy Lawless, and of course Patton Oswald They knew the audience they had for AoS


Mallory Jansen who played AIDA/Agnes/Ophelia/Madame Hydra was also amazing! So many roles throughout season 4 and she killed all of them - lifelike android, brave painter/cancer patient, leader of hydra in the framework, and then finally a real human being with a not so strong grasp on her emotions.


Holy moly thank you for mentioning the two of them. I feel like the director asked for crazy and those two reaaalllly delivered!


Don't forget Ward


Very true, and then Grant Ward ended up becoming one of the best characters in the entire MCU imo at least until the whole Hive thing. John Garrett (Bill Paxton) was an awesome character.


How dare you not put Agent Poindexter on this list


These shows were too good…it was the saddest day ever when Netflix cancelled them.


All I ask is Kingpin in a Spider-Man/Daredevil movie. Or, have him and even Killgrave as the major villains in a story arc that brings Spidey, The Defenders, Moon Knight, She-Hulk, and even Punisher for a major street-level crossover on Disney+. Pretty much what THE DEFENDERS tried to do (I don't mind the series, but it's lower-tier compared to other Marvel/Netflix shows).


Mahershala Ali killed it as cottonmouth


It's still canon to me I dont care what anyone says


Netflix has dropped so far in quality from when they were first launching these shows, it’s rare to find a decent original anymore and all of the good shows and movies that Netflix didn’t make are on other services


Yep. It’s just ‘throw anything at the wall and see what sticks’.


I think the last show I looked forward to from Netflix was Space Force and that was a major letdown. I really liked Luke Cage, hoping Disney can bring it back


One of my favorite Netflix shows got canceled after 1 season, smh


Cobra Kai is enjoyable, but admittedly not anything high quality. Castlevania is still phoenemonal though.


The cast and the depictions of the characters are the reason that I want these shows to remain canon. A lot of the Netflix versions will go down as the definitive live action versions


Really want to see vincent d'onofrio’s kingpin in the MCU


Kilgrave and Kingpin are my favourite (probably audience favourite too)!! I miss the dark MCU Netflix days. So cruel, so captivating.


Alice Eve delivered one of the greatest performances in any comic adaptation. For my money, only Ledger’s Joker and Brolin’s Thanos are better villain performances.


She was Typhoid Mary, right? I still haven’t watched Iron Fist.


Hey Vicent D'Onofrio was amazing as kingpin


Oh yeah he absolutely was. He was my second favorite Defenders villain.


Cottonmouth/kingpin are absolutely my favourite villains now thanks to these actors


The netflix shows, agents of shield are better then the Disney + shows in my opinion.