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I presume they don’t clean it out so you would be standing in faeces, urine, food scraps and dead bodies?
..but the fall is quite long usually so you'd also break bones and have a slow death. There's a vid on YouTube somewhere where they put a camera down one in a French castle and you can see bones among rubbish.
The article says they lower them with a rope.
I’m claustrophobic and even thinking about my reply creeps me out ugh.
If I was getting lowered down I'd brace my feet and pull my captor down with me. Then eat him
Shit like that is probably why they want to put you there in the first place. Although I like the way you think.
Whoops. You busted me AssBeast.
As is tradition
Fuck, that really made me laugh.
The real LPT's are always in the comments
Maybe they feed your rope through the grate THEN lower your down, to prevent your shenanigans which I might add are very anti Spartaaaaaaaaa
Then I'd bounce up and down whilst bracing my feet so the grate would saw through the rope....before I plummet down, I'd ram my feet and shoulders against the tunnel walls....then, assuming my hands are tied I would use my immense thigh power to shimmy back up the opening to the grate and headbutt it open...then I'd bite everyone's ankles. The king would be so impressed with my determination that he'd knight me.
You had me at immense thigh power
I had the king too.
There's no mozzarella sticks down there but plenty of shit on the walls
A man with a plan! Love it!
I mean either they will kill you, making it a fast death, or you will be able to eat the man.
Then use his bones to make a ladder
Y’all are so weird 😭😭
Bone ladders are very practical and cheap.
Will you marry me?
Do you have a dowry?
Pretty sure there are probably a few cracked skulls for that reason. ... but I guess it's the last resort before heading to the death chamber.
Is that you, Dwight?
Bears, beets, battle star galactica
Identitiy theft is not a joke Flexen.
>If I was getting lowered down I'd brace my feet and pull my captor down with me. Then eat him
The sequel to IT we're all waiting for, u/Ieatclowns...
This is what I'll never understand about like people executed in WW2 and executions in movies etc. People get told to do X which they know will lead to their deaths, and they do it? If you know you're going to die anyways, wouldn't you fight? Even if there's only a .1% chance you actually manage to steal a gun and shoot your would-be murderers, isn't that worth it over a certain death?
I believe so. I once heard a cop say that if you're ever getting abducted, don't wait for a chance to escape but go absolutely nuclear right away...the moment they attempt to take you. She said if you die then, better that then what happens to people who get abducted and you might win.
Never let yourself be taken to a second location.
Thanks for the tip, Bittenbinder
Years ago my dad worked with a guy who went out on a first date with a woman. After dinner, they got to the car and a guy came out of the shadows to rob them. He took their valuables then made him open the trunk and told him to get in. He assumed the robber was going to rape the girl, so he went nuts on the robber and slammed the trunk lid on his head about a million times until the guy stopped fighting. Then they took their stuff back, got in the car and left the robber laying there in the street. This was before cell phones, so they never called 911 or ever found out what happened to the robber, but he wasn't in good shape when they left him.
Beautiful and heart warming story. Love it.
Fear is a hell of a drug. Do you honestly think you would be functioning properly with dozens of armed soldiers pointing guns at you and ordering you around? I'm sure you're a badass, but remember in WW2 most people were draftees. Farmers and school kids who had never seen anything like this before.
I think I read about this somewhere that it's human nature to try and avoid the inevitable as long as we can. If your executioner makes you dig your own grave before killing you we do it in the incredibly slim hopes that something will save us or they change their mind.
Most didn't know, until the very end, they were being killed. The Germans, who to many Jews in the beginning, were people they knew and trusted, told them were being relocated for one reason or another.
Even when they arrived at the death camps they were told they were going into showers. The Germans even gave them soap and played music to sell the lie.
If people heard about the death camps they didn't believe them because why would the Germans kill their own workforce? They didn't know or believe the Germans just wanted to eradicate them.
If they did resist the Germans had far superior weapons and if one of them were to "steal" a gun, they might kill one German but the Germans would then kill 10 or 20 of their friends or family members in retaliation.
Many were also too weak and tired to resist.
Psychology is weird, man. You aren't thinking clearly when you're staring down imminent demise. Something else takes over in your brain.
I've been held at gun point once in my life. It was by a cop, he told me to drop my bag, pull up my shirt, then get moving. Maybe ten seconds of my life.
Through the whole thing, I was thinking of nothing but that gun barrel and how at any moment I might see a little flash of light and then nothing. That thought eats too much bandwidth to allow much strategizing. Maybe if I was some trained badass I could formulate a plan, but being the wimpy normal that I am, the guy could have got me to do just about anything.
In the holocaust, if one tried to fight back, 10 would die as punishment. Makes trying to save yourself a selfish idea.
Then you must surely love to read the Nutty Putty cave [story](https://allthatsinteresting.com/nutty-putty-cave).
I cant read that kind of stuff. Gives me serious anxiety
Imagine dying in a cave called fucking Nutty Putty
Crawling around looking for the delicious peanut butter cookies
Ugh. That’s freaky. What an awful thing to be stuck and them not able to free him, wow I didn’t think they would fail.
I shudder thinking about his body still being there. Even in death they can't free him.
I’m afraid to click hahaha.
Hang on while I put my big girl pants on.
I wish I’d been here 53 mins earlier to warn you, I went on the Reddit journey last month and regret it
If you're lucky!
Seems to be a lot of trouble for people essentially condemned to death. Why not just drop them in?
Probably because they wanted it to last as long as possible. If you dropped them, they might die too quickly.
The cruelty was the point.
I'm pretty sure there's a record of a wife and son being locked up in a different type of oubliette in order to punish or smoke out the husband. By the time they were found, it appeared they had both starved, but she had tried eating him.
It's part of the inspiration for a certain scene in GoT, iirc.
I'll Google and see what I can find. Pretty sure she was called Margaret but that doesn't narrow it down much.
edit: Here she is, not called Margaret: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maud_de_Braose
But their deaths led to Laws Against That Sort Of Thing …
Even back then people thought that was a bit too much ~
That was a dark read. I hope her son was dead before she tried eating him.
When I think of all the people the English have called barbaric!
There are worse things than dying.
The article also said that some highly important people might be held there and they wanted them to be alive at the end. The famous one someone posted about further down, she was held there and they think in order to flush her husband out. (it also says she probably tried to eat her son when he died).
Gawd it must have been incredible being squashed there together for days, your son dies and then you try eat him to stay alive....
Would you provide a link good sir?
I tried but can't link for some reason. The vid is titled "Mediaeval Torture chamber and bodies found by treasure hunters drone" there's a second vid too but I think the one I named is more to the point
Thank you good sir
Here's the [link](https://youtu.be/_hT7MR1Lv7o).
Call me when they find it please :)
I did ?
You've got a link to the video?
I can't link for some reason but it's called "Mediaeval Torture chamber and bodies found by treasure hunters drone" on Chill Bills channel.
Jeez some humans are real dicks.
Food scraps? You think they gave them food?
Yes, some poor unfortunates were kept alive, usually the richer ones they wanted something from. I'd give up everything if they let me out of the hole.
What’s not being shown is that this is the lowest part of the dungeon. The filth from other prisoners washed down this hole.
And rats, don't forget the rats
You wish there's food scraps
Super. Well, sweet dreams tonight everyone!
Hey, it's not that bad. They just had to wait for some Knight to come along and drop a key down. Then it's off for the greatest, hollowed adventure!
Found the Dark Souls reference, I can leave now
Imagine the constant screaming for help :)
No room to sit kneel and in most cases even turn around. Made to stay standing until you died or were let out.
Yep. This has now replaced being buried alive. At least I get to lay down with that.
Oubliette is French for Spirit Airlines.
Deserves an award
Only have a wholesome lol
They was usually a big enough chamber at the bottom to pace and move around. You're just seeing the entrance here. If it were than narrow all the way down you might be able to brace yourself and climb up.
No, not quite. Oubliettes were rather large and allowed total movement—even pacing. What you’re describing sounds more like a standing cell or Little Ease in the Tower of London.
Thank God I was born in a first world country in the 21st century
Me too. The more I learn about history and the world the more I realized I got a sweet deal just for landing in the right time and place.
Granted people in 500 years will be wondering how we lived the way we do.
For better or worse
Probably for worse tbh. We’re in the golden age of civilization, it’s all downhill from here.
!RemindMe 500 years
every generation had thought this lol
Bold of you to assume humanity will make it 500 more years.
Pretty sure around the world there are still people fucked up enough to do this kind of stuff in their basement or cabin off the grid.
People have always been cruel, there will most likely be at least a handful that still get a kick out of twisted shit...
the only remotely good thing about that story is how Elisabeth is now living with her family and has married one of her bodyguards.
I read somewhere that the Austrian government has set her up in a town and the entire town has her back to keep her safe and the media and everyone else away from her and her family.
Like some photographer found out about where it was and showed up, within like minutes he was surrounded by a bunch of dudes who made it abundantly clear that he was not wanted there and he should leave, like thirty seconds ago.
Actually the top prize is never being born at all.
Found an interesting definition of oubliettes coming from a french source. Here is the translation:
“The oubliettes designated the food reserves in the fortified castles of the Middle Ages. They were located under the keep, the main tower of the castle, in large rooms in the basement, which could only be accessed by a hatch and a ladder. There was no door so that no rodents or insects could enter. The deepest of these rooms could serve as a cooler. Ice was stored there during the winter so that food and drink could be cooled throughout the summer. The expression "to fall into oblivion", synonymous with being forgotten, dates back only to the 19th century. Contrary to a legend which also dates back to the 19th century, no prisoner was ever thrown into the dungeon. In the Middle Ages, while awaiting trial, the defendants were locked in a dungeon, also called cul-de-basse-fosse. Then, they were fined, exposed to the pillory or sentenced to death, if not released, but never imprisoned, prison not appearing among the judicial penalties in the Middle Ages.”
Seems like only later on these pits were sometimes used for less bonafide practices.
Now I feel sorry for all those people I sent to the oubliette in Crusader Kings.
I'm sure at least one real king had that same revelation.
"Jesus Christ I've been putting them WHERE? Why do we have that? Oh my God I'm an asshole I thought it was just a jail"
Definitely happened at least once
I read this in Seth Mcfarlane's voice.
Those goddamn vassals deserved it
They had their freedom and what did they choose to do with it? Try to implement elective succession.
Like fuck that's happening.
Oubliette means “forget” so, once dropped in, you are forgotten.
Thems my rightful property
What'd you have to go and do a thing like that for?
I had to scroll too long to find a Labyrinth reference
Huh? What yinz talking about?
I heard it was the thing to get into in the 60s.
"Oublier" in French means forget, "oubliette" would be a noun derivative from this word, something like "device used to forget".
Its the Forget-o-tron 2000
Does it come with a noise-cancelling grinder?
Oubliette = Forgettor
Yeah, probably. I am not English or French native speaker :)
The Dutch word for this is 'Vergeetput' which roughly translates to 'Forgetting Well.'
I would have transliterated it as “forget place.”
As I read this I was itching my leg and then I looked at your username lmao
Don’t worry, I’m not infectious, though that grate might be.
Oublier means “to forget”. Oubliette is more definitively described as “a place of forgetting”.
More precisely "oublier" is to forget.
Oubliette is the diminutive (diminishing, making small) noun with the same meaning. Free interpretation in English would be "(little) forgettie" or something along those lines ('ie' being english diminutive e.g. Katie, Teddie).
Such a pretty sounding word for such a terrible demise.
TIL my room is also called an oubliette
Munger Hall applicant?
The only reason I know the word oubliette is because of Enter the Gungeon. See, video games can be educational.
It's also an old magic card
Like in the Labrynth!
down in the underground…
[**To know more about it**](https://www.exploring-castles.com/castle_designs/castle_dungeon/)**.**
The most brutal part of that article is the fonts
Holy crap this article is a brutal read. TLDR: castles, yada yada, keeps, yada yada, olden days, MEDIEVAL!
Hey, that’s just like my basement!
Am I the only one who thought of [The Labyrinth's Oubliette](https://clip.cafe/labyrinth-1986/this-an-oubliette/)
You remind me of the babe
The babe with the power.
The powe of voodoo.
Remind me of the babe.
it’s only forever
It’s not long at all
lost and lonely, that’s underground
the tale of despereaux 🐭
Seems like the fat guys wouldn't fit
The fat guys were usually in charge.
Being fat was exclusive to the upper class then
The thing about fat guys in medieval time, I doubt you would be about to forget them when everyone else skin and bones and dying of dysentery
There is one in Armenia called [Khor Virap](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khor_Virap?wprov=sfla1) which means deep pit/dungeon. I have been down there. The shaft is roughly 8 feet deep and to the bottom is another 12 feet. It's approximately 14 feet in diameter. It's a tourist destination and Christian pilgrimage site. The silence is calming and maddening when you are alone.
There's nothing I know of that is crueller than the human species
Lions will eat your testicles while you are still alive.
So would many men… 😳
Find different bars to frequent bro
Pretty sure they are ok with the ball munchies
Or not... (◠‿◕)
Have you heard of Komodo dragons?
Fuck komodo dragons...... those things are so damn scary
Orcas are pretty cruel. I'd rate them a distant 2nd to humans.
Dolphins in General are Cruel
Generals are cruel dolphins
The coup chute. Always a favorite in the medieval times.
We once played a game at work, where if we answered the phone to clients, we had to try and sneak in a random selection of obscure words. I asked a client what he had for lunch. I told him I went to a French cafe and had an Oubliette.
Just watched a YouTube video about 'oubliette'and apparently they were mostly just the castles septic system... Gross
That was my favorite small castle in England. If I remember correctly(from 1991) there is a section all about torture devises there
Warwick is a small castle? What big ones did you see?!?
I learned the term oubliette from CK2
That's what I called my"office" for years until I renovated and tidied up
I loved Warwick Castle growing up. Finally took my kids for the first time this summer and it was one of those forever family memories.
I mean, the picture in the original post is obviously fucked up of course, but we were there for Zog and the peacocks and less the…human rights violations.
Though all the general staff are on zero hour contracts with minimum wage so they're still not the best regarding their treatment of humans 😅
Oooooh, not great. Which sucks because the staff were great :(
This is one of those posts I wish I had never seen. I’ll never come to grips with the degree of cruelty humans are capable of.
It's fine - Hoggle will show up to rescue you. Heads up though, he's in league with the Goblin King - but offer him a bit of bling and call him your friend, and that'll probably sway him...
My grandparents were from there so I went there as a kid lots and it spooked me out so much, that place is the stuff of nightmares man. That hole is so tiny and they’d stuff people in there with rats and stuff, and there was a big rack for stretching people in the same room, so gnarly. They do a good tour now, last time I was there the lights went out and then this witch was right in front of someone when they came back on and hoooooly that was a the loudest scream I’ve ever heard, not even joking.
The "dungeons" tour is more of a historical based live show that goes through some ground floor rooms, the oubliette is in the historical dungeon nearby.
Actually, they were systerns for water in castles, they only became oubliette later. 13th century, it's for water, not hooligans
After a few hours of rabbit hole diving last night I've discovered it's damned near impossible to find pictures of the inside of an oubliette
There’s scarce evidence that oubliettes like this commonly existed. There’s not really much evidence that dungeons as we commonly think of them were more than quite rare, in fact.
It’s a fun little scare, but I’m fairly certain even this one here is not settled on whether it was a dungeon room or just storage.
How deep is it?
It’s so tiny, super cramped, it’s so gnarly.
This one is essentially a crawl space. I got claustrophobia just looking at it. It's also pitch black inside.
So I guess The Hole in The Night Angel Trilogy is a real thing.
They got wifi down there.
We should bring this back for pedophiles
Luke Skywalker still down there?
And got crapped upon, literally!
Based on my cynical lifetime observations of how cruel humans can be.
I love french, it even gender assigns a dungeon where people just die and nothing else.
I learned that word from David Bowie in Labyrinth.
Mind the rancor
gotta love the 🤙 sign. Seema like the prisoners were having a party down there.
I see the same post in r/Damnthatsinteresting
Reminds me of [this terrifying post](https://www.reddit.com/r/urbanexploration/comments/klcioy/oubliette_and_the_lesson_of_finding_a_frozen_dead/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3).
So literally chuck them in a hole and throw away the key?
Any idea where I can get some blueprints on this design? Sounds alot more efficient than the one I have now