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Do you ever feel like you might regret leaving Islam one day? Because Islam MIGHT be the "right" religion as it claims to be?

Do you ever feel like you might regret leaving Islam one day? Because Islam MIGHT be the "right" religion as it claims to be?

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jairumaximus

From someone that grew up in the church system of a third world country and almost become a pastor before he was even 16... there is no right religion. Even if there was... it would have long been lost to time and all this variations that exist today would be wildly off course. Just be a good person. Whatever that means to you.


PhantomLorde_

i agree!


Volcann

Lots of tribes mutilate their children and think they are doing good and thus are good persons.... Not sure whether "just be a good person" can be applied.


AdustyBucket2

If they genuinely think what they are doing isn’t evil then I don’t think god would judge them for it because they would just be ignorant. Of course that doesn’t mean what they are doing is right


lessthan1punchman

No. It does not make sense. Imperfect book with contradictions, philandering warlord, and some amazingly fantastic ideas that no one has ever seen (heaven, hell, winged donkey with the face of a woman, 72 transparent virgins in the fabricated heaven, etc). I mean, Greek or Norse mythology is way more believable. Islam spread by conquest and subjugation. If it was true, that would never have been necessary. It was basically for the most part a roving hoard of incels who wanted stuff they couldn’t earn so they killed, raped, plundered. To keep them motivated, warlord mo had to make up things to motivate them, like sex slaves, what is permissible from a sex/plunder standpoint, and making women into property for the incel hoard. I understand the conditioning is not easy to get over. But with time and focus on real education instead of these fairy tales, I promise, your mind recovers.


PhantomLorde_

i hate to admit it, but what you said is logical. and i was raised in a non-strict muslim household my whole life but that doesn't mean i haven't heard all the "if you do this or that, you go to hell" "apostates and sinners are to be killed and tortured in hellfire" "you are not allowed to question allah nor your religion/quran because islam is flawless" shit. it took me a while to understand that this is barbaric as fuck and eventually i left the religion when i felt confident enough in my decision. i still have my concerns though, i still don't know what to expect.


lessthan1punchman

You know what sucks for me though? I left 20 years ago and I still have too much of the quran still in memory from my days of being forced into being a hafiz 🤦🏽‍♂️ I think of all those times I had to recite surah azhab and surah yasiin 🤮


PhantomLorde_

that's absolutely fucked up and i'm sorry you had to go through that. were you aware of your personal beliefs against islam back when you were being forced to be a hafiz?


lessthan1punchman

Funny enough, my doubts became stronger when I performed hajj at age 16 in the late 90s 😆


Hindsight2K20

Why do you fear the Dajjal’s return but not Odin or Zeus? Why do you fear hell but not Hades or Oblivion? Once you realize that the ideas and claims made in Islam have about as much evidentiary value as older mythologies, the fear of these fictitious people/place dissipates. If this still isn’t enough to alleviate your fears, consider [this quote](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/1367654-live-a-good-life-if-there-are-gods-and-they) by Marcus Aurelius. If their is an all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-merciful god; you’ll have nothing to worry about as long as you do your best to lead a good life.


PhantomLorde_

it makes sense i guess. i never thought of it from that perspective so your comment is quite eye-opening. thank you for the quote as well, it definitely helped ease my fear.


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PhantomLorde_

i've considered the idea that islam might be man-made before, i just don't have sufficient information to back up my claim. do you mind sharing your source of information? how did you reach this conclusion?


POSITIVEUPVOTES

I think there should be evidence that it’s god-made, to me asking for evidence it’s man-made is like saying “prove god *doesnt* exist!” There is no evidence proving that an invisible unicorn flying around the universe doesn’t exist but we don’t believe it, so why should we believe in god if there is no evidence?


riddledwithanxiety33

No. I would rather burn in hell than support the shit that Islam stands for.


TahaymTheBigBrain

If so then Allah has absolutely no grounds to punish me if he if he is the most just because it’s his own failures that made me a kafir.


POSITIVEUPVOTES

“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.” -Marcus Aurelius


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No


PhantomLorde_

understandable. have a nice day.


[deleted]

No way, Islam is wrong historically ( it's not an Abrahamic tradition as it claims) scientifically, philosophically and morally. I can write an essay for each.


yeontiddiees

can u pls send me ur sources, or just explain ?


BrotherJamal1

If it's real, God is the most merciful right? And he looks at your intention (niyyat) and sincerity right? And He gave you a brain to use and rely on right? And don't you have an ethical duty to act on your thoughts instead of ignoring them? So, I'd guess you'd be okay. Surely He'd be punishing pedophiles and rapists and murderers instead of people who just came to a different conclusion based on limited evidence.


ONE_deedat

Zeus will save me with his thunderbolt or Thor with his hammer.


lmao_not_sure_sorry

I think that too sometimes then I remember prophet moshithead was a pedo, rapist, and sexist asf despite “meeting angels” so that usually calms me down.


laughingmushroom1

No. Absolutely not.


HarangueSajuk

I have that thought too, and it's like a swing. One time I feel I shouldn't follow this religion because it'd brought suffering to me because of my upbringing. Another time I thought I should stay because don't let the upbringing influence you.


PhantomLorde_

exactly! whenever i express the tiniest bit of concern/criticizm about this religion to my parents for example, i receive a "don't blame islam, blame the people who are doing things in the name of religion" and that leaves me in more confusion. as of right now, i don't think about returning at all tbh, it has brought so much suffering to me so i know how it feels for you.


lessthan1punchman

This kind of thinking leads to realizing Muslims aren’t real instead of allah. Either way, that’s the death of Islam.


TahaymTheBigBrain

"In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it ... **And what was terrifying was not that they would kill you for thinking otherwise, but that they might be right. For, after all, how do we know that two and two make four? Or that the force of gravity works? Or that the past is unchangeable?** If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable…what then?" This quote hits so close to home for all of us. (1984)


S4d_Machin3

No its pretty lame.


Most-Platypus681

I think this would make you more theist than anything! If the religion doesn’t align with your values and you don’t believe in its teachings then it’s obviously wrong and you can see many people can see that too. Exmuslim doesn’t necessarily mean atheist (although many are) You can look into different types of faiths, religions, spiritualities and so on that align with YOUR truth.


szozs

No


egirlenthusiast

God simply can't be all knowing and perfectly good as Islam claims, it's a paradox in philosophy search it up as Epicurean Paradox. Hence even if allah exists, he is not the being Islam depicts (+If he's all knowing what is the point of evaluating us in the first place, his world is deterministic even though ours isn't +particle physics decline this determinism in its current state (I'm not certain about this yet)) and is probably the combination of both good and evil and will be unconcerned with my actions. This of course is also taking into account that spirit exists and so does the concept of I other than my physical form which is of course not the case in my opinion.


Lucky_Wanderer

I mean it would be fucking stupid if it was. Yeah, a religion that knocked off Christianity znd incorporated Pagan Arabs beliefs; was written in Arabic and disseminated that way; happened to unite Arab tribes as one empire is the right religion. Even if it was, that's bullshit


Loveisabattlefield91

Your fighting for your soul. All that stuff was predicted to happen a few hundred years after islam started. Its in hadiths but i dont remember which ones. Best of luck to you and keep up the good fight.


raduubraduu

I know, right? What if I am god and you will go to hell if you don't obey me and send me all your money? Should I send my bank details?


PhantomLorde_

that's what islam's god sounds like to me. he's just looking for pure submission and obedience from his creations, sort of like an ego boost. if you don't do what he says, you're doomed. that's why i 'created' a different, fair, loving version of god in my head. a god that sees me as an independent human being rather than his slave.


NatsukiHime

What you are describing is basically Pascal's Wager. Which is pretty easily debunked simply by the existance of different religions in my opinion. This might interest you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKzqQ-IVxGs