By - Doctor_Mecha
It was stated plainly at conventions. In 1969 a HUGE convention, the speaker went on and on about 1975 then asked all of the children in the arena to stand up. Thousands of us stood up. The speaker said "YOU are the children who will tell the resurrected children what it was like to live in the time of the end and see Armageddon happen and Paradise come"
I'm a senior citizen now.
Today WT says they never said it. They plainly said it- there is a Kingdom Ministry that praised people for selling their possessions in order to pioneer in the final months before 1975
May 1974, How are you using your life?
Yes they did. It was a big deal.
I remember people selling their property. I remember one family sending the money to the watchtower and living in VW van and spending all day in service in rural areas. It was a frenzy.
Fascinating. Thank you for sharing.
The watchtowers actually did say it. Look at "An Ingathering Affect" May 1st 1970 Watchtower, Section 5 under the heading "A Critical Time."
https://www.jw.borg/finder?srcid=jwlshare&wtlocale=E&prefer=lang&docid=1970323 -link to it in the WOL. Just fix the .Borg !
In the May 1st 1975 Watchtower in the article "A Contrast — Missionaries with an Urgent, Lifesaving Work , 7th paragraph it says the world will end in September 1975.
"Another speaker, F. W. Franz, the Society’s vice-president, forcefully impressed on the audience the urgency of the Christian preaching work. He stressed that, according to dependable Bible chronology, 6,000 years of human history will end this coming September according to the lunar calendar."
https://www.jw.borg/finder?srcid=jwlshare&wtlocale=E&prefer=lang&docid=1975327 .Borg included again for safety.
I wasn't alive then. This is all my own research.
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You can access these both through the WOL like I did. All the necessary information in the text provided.
I was an eight year old at the time. I wasn't really paying too much attention at the meetings unless topics that were 'odd' were raised. And a talk given by Brother Bechard was one such occasion. He said that there were some brothers and sisters who needed to avoid certain neighborhoods now because they had been guaranteeing to householders that the world would end in 1975. He said it in a comedic way. The mental imagery was what stuck the memory firmly. The blame was put on the members for being presumptuous. I even paid attention to the conversation of my parents on the ride home from the Hall that day. They scoffed at the idea that it was the fault of 'over-zealous ones' when the literature had been emphasizing 1975 since before they were married. "Keep alive 'till '75". But that didn't stop them keeping us in the cult for years after that.
Its not just coming out saying its going to happen in 1975, its saying things like this:
If you are a young person, you also need
to face the fact that you will never grow
old in this present system of things. Why
not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment
of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt
system is due to end In a few years.
Of the generation that observed the beginning
of the "last days" in 1914, Jesus
foretold: "This generation will by no
means pass away until all these things
occur."-Matt. 24: 34.
Therefore, as a young person, you will
never fulfill any career that this system
offers. If you are in high school and thinking
about a college education, it means
at least four, perhaps even seven or eight
more years to graduate Into a specialized
career. But where will this system of
things be by that time? It will be well on
the way toward its finish, If not actually
AWAKE May 22 1969 page 14 and 15
Look at what kind of picture that paints to a congregation, this is just one of many examples of the verbiage used in many of their publications.
This is the article that Tony Morris disavows as having never been taught by the WT. he says this during the 2022 Annual Meeting.
I remember it like it was yesterday, it was pumped up a lot as the 1960's drew to a close.
My family sold up every single thing to move to a different country where the need was greater. We left my childhood home with just a small suitcase each and with the clothes on our backs.
I (male,16) was the youngest in a family of five, I was the only one working to support my mother and sisters.
I had been baptized at 12, auxiliary pioneered before being disfelloshipped at 14.
The anxiety it caused me was excruciating, I was eventually reinstated at 17.
It was a relief to me that it didn't come in 1975, people thought it might come in 76. U
ntil I remember Fred Franz went globe trotting to tell us it was all our fault in around 1977.
That's rich, seeing how 1975 was something Fred Franz pulled out of his own ass.
I remember my mum stockpiling tins of food,we grew our own vegetables and kept chickens.. wasn't completely aware but was told I wouldn't finish school..one family wanted to have first child born in new system so she was pregnant around that time ( they all quit shortly after) Found out years later another friends family had sold up to do the preaching work..my dad faded after 75..pity we didn't 😂😂😂
My grandparents did not buy into it. My grandfather was the congregation servant. But he stood alone in that belief. My grandmother got into an argument with a CO wife about it. People thought they weren’t going to make it, even though they hadn’t done anything wrong, other than repeating “no one knows the day or hour”.
So it was an incredibly widespread belief. And in 1976, nobody wanted to speak about it. There was a lot of shame surrounding the whole thing. Lots of people left and never returned.
I find your grandparents' stance intriguing. It sounds like they were actually listening to the scriptures. Were there other beliefs they held on to and how did that affect their ongoing trust in the GB?
In those days, nobody was hyper-focused on the GB. They were seen as administrators, basically.
My grandparents came from Catholicism & Baptist faiths, and they adhered to the tenets of JWs, believing that it was the true form of Christianity. And in the 70s & 80s, it wasn’t very different from mainstream Christianity, apart from the door knocking, and no blood transfusions.
> In those days, nobody was hyper-focused on the GB. They were seen as administrators, basically.
Wow. Absolutely true. It’s really in the past 10 years they’ve created an “aura” around themselves.
The WT did say 1975, most at that time did believe it was coming then. I know of many who gave up their jobs and pioneered with that in view. Books, kingdom ministries and the WT, also individual GB members stressed that to be the case, as did COs and DOs. I remember because I was there, I remember the hype. I was baptised in 1971. The information was available in the old written books, it was available in the older paper indexes at least up to 2009. I noticed that in the last couple of CDroms I received (2007-8) they had started to delete references to 1975. If you have come in since that time you will not be able find this information. When I left in 2009 I destroyed most all of my literature, so can't quote you now.
I was there and I also remember when they said that believing in the date of 1975 was our own fault, I was not happy with that, it took me another 30 years to leave.
Check out post "1975 - What they heard at the conventions" by poster on this forum. Excellent video!
I was born in 74 so I missed most of the build up but I did have two family members that sold everything to pioneer because if it. They ended upreally regretting it later in life but still believed.
Both ended up going back to working full time.
I was definitely told I would never have to go to school. Then high school. Now my youngest graduates HS this year. Yeah, he is going to college.
I think it was down to how convinced we were that the GB were God's mouthpiece .I never commited to that view neither did my wife ,I never accepted that only jws would be saved .when the hype started we did our study and came to the conclusion that they could be right but at best it was only the end of the 6000 years since Adams creation , it all hung on when Eve was created .so we just carried on the same ,I personally knew a few that swallowed the "end" hype completely and gave up everything to pioneer , I had done my pioneering in the 1960s and came off before the 75 hype due to being disappointed with it having little support from elders who didn't pioneer themselves..it is true that the literature and kingdom ministry did push it very hard that time was running out ..those of us that were considered spiritualy weak just didn't fall for it as we never totaly bought into the total trust of the GB I guess .
It was utterly and completely widespread. I'm in the UK. I was 15 in 1975 - my parents were average jw's who believed and preached what the Borg taught from the platform.
Here is a true conversation. My dad's friend with Leukemia died in 1969 and he - even back then - might have extended his life by blood transfusion.
Me: (Aged 9) Do you think "Uncle John" will survive until Armageddon?
My Mum: "No love, he's only got a few months to live and
Armageddon might not happen until 1975.
Me: "But that's the latest date isn't it? It might come sooner?"
My Dad: "But Babylon the Great (all the religions other than jw's) has to fall first and that might take a couple of years"
Uncle John has been dead for over 50 years. His wife has remarried and is a 90 year old great grandmother.
it was everywhere and ALL believed it!!!!
there is a recording of a talk at a convention in San Antonio tx where they lay out the millions today BS....i cant seem to find it. my internet is very slow...Anybody else know of this?
A lot of people believed it. It’s all very well documented and to see how many, look at the dip in members after 1975. The notion it didn’t happen is pure gaslighting.
I was pretty young in 75 about 7 and never really paid any attention to the talks but I do remember a brother being pissed off after a meeting probably in 1976 that they had been teaching the end and it didn’t come. He was talking to probably an elder after a meeting at the hall and was seriously upset.
I was baptized in 1965 and attended the International Assembly at Yankee Stadium was FW Franz released the Life Everlasting book (‘66 as I recall) which contained the new light about 1975. It was certainly the general assumption of the people in our KH that the was ‘it’. The only speculation was if the tribulation would begin in ‘75 or Armageddon.
I was 13 in 1975 and remember the convention that summer. It was packed for the public talk that Sunday. I honestly can't remember what was said in that talk but everyone was really excited about Armageddon. Its all we talked about on the way down to the convention. Later that summer I told my friends the world was going to end soon and they said 'cool' I was not a witness but my dad was and I lived with my non-witness mother. I used to parrot some of what I'd hear and some of those friends from childhood will still kid me about "1975"
After 1975 came and went, my dad drifted out of the religion. He was pretty much all the way out by 1981. He was clearly one JW who was disappointed, yet he never said that was why he left. His stated reason for leaving? He just couldn't "do it". The thing is, people didn't just pull 1975 out of thin air. The Watchtower tried to make it appear people were reading too much into their past publications, but I think that was a way to cover their butts. People got the idea from the Watchtower and nobody else.
My mom and aunt and a elder I know we're all taken out of school because Armageddon was coming.
I got baptised in 1974 at 14 years old and left school at 15 so I could do more preaching just before "Armageddon ".
Thanks all; needed to get some ongoing perspective since I think you’re about to see another 1975-type shakeout…just my gut, nothing concrete