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LifeResetP90X3

"If you are willing to serve wherever you are needed, you will be happy. Why?" Because we are the watchtower. And we will tell you how you will feel and think. Also, we are Jehoolas "happy people." If for any reason you are NOT happy......it is because YOU: 1. Aren't doing enough 2. Could be doing more 3. Aren't praying enough 4. All of the above I said it before, and I'll keep saying it until I can move past the anger part of this, and I can move on to the healthy acceptance. Fuck...... you......watchtower.


isettaplus1959

if I remember right Sign over the entrance to the extermination nazi camps "freedom through work ".


EyesRoaming

'Work sets you free' or makes you free or a variation on that..... Same message, same lie though...😞


LexChase

Arbeit macht frei - work makes you free


throoowwwwaaaaadro

And this rhetoric is exactly why I made myself ill exhausting myself trying to do more and more and thinking there was something wrong with me because I felt empty and wanted to die. It's so transparent in hindsight and I feel so bad and frustrated for all those PIMIs who are stuck in this indoctrination.


Jr_12377

For reallll we were never doing enough and they wonder why we’re all suicidal.


8Diluted8

100% agreed! I had crippling anxiety and depression being in the org. WHY?? Cuz I always felt I wasn’t good enough or doing enough! They make you feel like the lowliest POS if you do or say anything “worldly”. Now, being out, I feel amazing! I have confidence in myself and I’m truly happy. F that org!


DebbDebbDebb

I think I will join you today. Fuck........you.......watchtower 👍


Elecyah

Don't forget number 5: Lack of faith.


Jr_12377

Couldn’t of said it better myself


DadofAdam2020

I think they just mean the size of the GB. Have you seen these fat fucks lately? Apparently all the donated funds are going to grubhub.


larchington

Surely wondrous expansion is now taking place.


FindingPIMO

"You too, widen out".


Major-Fondant-8714

Use for *declines* in membership: "This is proof that we are on the brink of the end. The decline is because just about all of the sheep are now in the organization and there just aren't that many sheep still lost to be recruited so expect more declines as Jehovah winds things up for Armageddon." Use for *increases* in membership: " This is proof that we are on the brink of the end. The increase is because Jehovah is quickly gathering the last of his sheep that are still out there." *Or Cover both bases* with one statement (reverse statement if necessary): " This is proof that we are on the brink of the end. The increase is because Jehovah is quickly gathering the last of his sheep that are still out there so we might expect a decline in the number of sheep coming into the organization in the near future as Jehovah winds things up for Armageddon."  


Kajol7

They literally have a response for everything.


Major-Fondant-8714

It's basically circular weasel talk that too many people mistakenly regard as 'truth'. This is characteristic of much religious type of talk.


DisciplineNearby7824

Oof the “you will be happy” send chills down my spine, I always thought there was something very wrong with me because I was unhappy. I looked around and saw brothers and sisters way happier than I had ever been. Surely I was doing something wrong, surely there was something wrong with ME, I was the problem, I was wrong. I felt such guilt knowing I was unhappy. It made me deeply ashamed. But now I realize no one is actually happy, they’re just sheep driven by fear. I won’t ever let anyone else tell me what should make me happy


isettaplus1959

Same with me ,I joined in 1963 I was happy up to the elder and m s arrangement then the pressure started ,do more. Reach out ,bla bla ,I was made a m s and by the early 1980s I was having a complete mental breakdown, i came off over elders bullying .I suffered depression and anxiety for over 30 years .cured by stopped everything and no zoom faded out .


Elecyah

You just typed out my story. At least we're out now. \*hugs\*


Mymindisdirtybutfun

Sadly, non English speaking JWs will not even know. The German version says: The more people join Jehovas organization the more young brothers are needed. 🤷‍♀️


Abalabi_jw

Thanks for that perspective from the German field.


Anti-Arbitrarian

Maybe the branch rebelled and said we won't print this sh*t


Mymindisdirtybutfun

The translation is rather loose. I read English and German parallel for years. They are pretty deviant. The translators try to keep the insanity out but they occasionally bring in very different meanings. It’s done not very professional (who could that expect).


Frank_Vague

Some languages used to translate from the simplified English version, which explained a lot of the discrepancies. I don’t know if they still publish the simplified, though.


Mymindisdirtybutfun

There’s only one version anymore as far as I know, and it’s more or less the simplified one. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.


Oldwhiteguyherenow

Basically that is correct.


Oldwhiteguyherenow

A publisher I knew read a verse from her English NWT to a russian speaking householder who followed along in her russian NWT. She said that the russian did not come close to matching the english. A careful comparison confirmed it. The russian translation was completely different.


brooklyn_bethel

The Russian translators are doing the same all the time, they are sugarcoating and embellishing their bullshit.


De-Bunker

Their only increase is from born-ins. They have become 100% insular.


Grouchy_Yak4573

Unfortunately not true, they still manage to pull unsuspecting victims, I've seen it in my hall and others. Maybe 95% but entirely there yet.


Oldwhiteguyherenow

I typically ask members about converts and the answer is always never more than 1 every 5 years. Subtract the ones who are fading, DF'd, DA'd and died and the total number is steeply declining.


DonRedPandaKeys

In accordance with their fathers spirit they will always tell a lie. Always.


Aposta-fish

Their numbers are complete BS if your going to get people to donate for Kingdom Hall builds and new building projects you can’t admit the religion has less then 4 million members and falling.


AlexisFitzy

Id love to know the actual total of the org right now. They have been spouting that 8 million strong number forever. I’ve never heard them say 9 million or 10 always 8 or even 7 sometimes when brothers can’t remember if it’s 7 or 8 lol. I believe 4 million though!


longgamefade

Maybe with watchtower being so aggresive with baptizing younger and younger. Same number attending but now you can add the toddlers to the rolls.


Oldwhiteguyherenow

An anonymous commenter claimed that correspondence from Warwick to Europe indicated the figure was closer to 4.5 million. There was no confirmation but it correlates with the decreases I have seen.


lewter17198

I actually believe that they are 8 millions on number but the numbers (especially with young people) are shrinking. I say this because at least on my country costa rica there are thousands of Jehovah's witnesses, they are almost 3% of the population and there are a lot of Jehovah's witnesses on all Latin America so at least some million of them live on this region. Their organization has been growing a lot on third world countries.


Aposta-fish

I believe the growth from Latin American countries offset the decline in North America and Europe but I think that has changed and now the decline is also happening there as well as Africa. I of course could be wrong but they have been loosing over 1 million per decade easily and they just don’t seem to be able to recoup those numbers anymore.


[deleted]

Free money and slave labor can make a boozy GB say some crazy things! With all this gaslighting, I imagine their NYSEG bill must be poppin..😅


imactiveinactive

Might actually tune in to this meeting just to point out that to my family 😂


Tim20182018

The answer is that it's grown in collective mass owing to covid chub


TheFactedOne

I mean even negative growth is growth.


JWTom

The Borg has been preaching that there is a massive increase and the growth of the Borg continues. The last "International" conventions were a perfect example. "Brudders, the growth of the Borg continues! It is all good!" I will drop dead of a heart attack if the Borg ever acknowledges the reality that it is shrinking at a rapid pace. And that no one under 30 has any interest in being a JDub.


tooandahalf

The Mormons are tackling the exact same issue with reporting their growth. Just like the JWs the Mormons would brag about their growth and how much they were building and say it's proof their the true religion. now that they're shrinking the church is trying to hide their numbers. I expect they're both doing very creative accounting until it's too hard to lie about it, then they'll stop releasing those number and/or change their tune about the importance of growth.


OverApprctdUndrAchvr

I like that they are inadvertently admitting that this has become an old person's religion. Young people raised in this cult aren't staying anymore. The heard is thinning..... Not Sam Heard, but the, HEARD, heard.


cheetahblues

The organization is growing in old people and women more than with young men?


Oldwhiteguyherenow

More is expected from young men than any other age group.


cheetahblues

My point was only if the organization is actually growing so much that they need help keeping up, then they would also be growing by an ample amount of young men as well.


Oldwhiteguyherenow

It may not matter what their needs are. They demand so much from young men that most just walk away. WTC doesn't know how to become a kinder, friendlier organization that really appeals to young men who want to be involved. As a result, they only retain the most fiercely competitive, pharasaical nazi types who grow into misery enforcers.


Own-Mathematician116

One would think, based on how easy it is in 1st world countries to do the ministry and meetings these days that there would be massive increase. Inactive ones reactivated, Bible students becoming publishers. 1st world countries in the west are where the bulk of JWs reside. BUT we still don't see an annual report from the 2020 service year. If they consider growth due to memorial attendance, ok... but once again, you can't count how many people are tuned in to zoom while vacuuming or watching Jackie Gleason reruns. So growth? Maybe. Significant? I doubt it. Significant shrinkage? only after a swim.


lewter17198

I find your opinion interesting because I always thought that the areas where the organization has been growing more are third world countries where people have less access to education and information. I said this because the organization on my home country (Costa Rica) is bigger on rural areas and is loosing a lot of followers on the central areas where people are more educated 🤔🤔🤔


Own-Mathematician116

Right BUT some of those third world countries have limited internet access so zoom and conference calls are inaccessible for many. So no meetings. A lot of them do not have reliable mail systems so no letter writing. I think that’s why most island countries and South Africa had such significant drops last year The US has a lot of reactivated pubs because people can do stuff from home


lewter17198

But not all the third world countries are the same... For example on countries like Costa Rica and panama almost every person has access to internet but are lacking on education (at least on old people, young people on Costa Rica has more education than some states on USA)


Own-Mathematician116

That last comment about young people in Costa Rica made me say “Cool”! That’s awesome More critical thinking


lewter17198

Yeah honestly it's really cool (I hope the pandemic don't change that) the increasing education is changing the politics on our country and also have changed the quantity of religious people ☺️❤️


Oldwhiteguyherenow

That may be the underlying reason, or it could simply be that now a member can report time even if they actually did nothing. The reporting allows everyone to be "active" now if they only say that they did something, like posting a link to someone on Facebook, or commenting online.


Oldwhiteguyherenow

Now the cat is really out of the bag. How can anyone resist watching Jackie Gleason?! You may have singlehandedly wrecked the reporting for years to come.


DebbDebbDebb

Soon the gb will be disfellowshipped for gluttony 🤢. Ohh yes jws done bother with that one!


ElliceNoskralc

“you will be happy”. Sounds like a threat. Also, that must be why extreme depression runs rampant throughout the borginization.


geardluffy

They’re obviously lying but I’ll bet their argument is that the preaching work itself is expanding. There is no doubt that they had another decline this year. All they mention is how great the memorial numbers are and record number of publishers in 1/3 of the congregations worldwide. Cherry picking data is a sign of manipulation not growth.


Spare_Industry_6056

I've had this debate before because for some reason people just can't imagine the GB would lie about numbers when they're so honest about everything else, but if they can't even plausibly cook the books to show growth anymore I bet the real situation is a lot worse than -.6%.


larchington

I’m sure they lie.


lancegalahadx

The writing committee needs to consult the dictionary for the definition of the word “growth”…


walled2_0

Also, they need more minions to carry the microphones. Certainly can’t have elders doing that.


DadofAdam2020

Who is the faithful slave whom the master appointed over his domestics? Not happy is the master when he returns and finds every fucking Little Debbie snack cake was eaten.


lukeiam0

"You will gain good reputation" they just executed those dont want to or cant for whatever reason. So loving.


Mysterious_Morning95

The only thing that keeps growing in size is the girth of the GB and their arrogance and ignorance.


Oldwhiteguyherenow

I saw your comment just now and realized that it might appear that my comment plagarized you. OR - maybe we are long lost twin siblings.


Mysterious_Morning95

I honestly don't take reddit that seriously to care if you did plagiarize me, so no worries. Besides, I am 100% sure what I wrote wasn't that original of thought and I am also 100% sure that many others thought the same.


Oldwhiteguyherenow

It is true that they are "growing in size" as the videos clearly indicate. However, this is a spin on what most people might expect it to mean. They are gaining weight at an alarming rate, perhaps due to lack of exercise, a soft life, inactivity, alcohol consumption, a high calorie diet perhaps. WTC is well aware that its members equate growth with God's blessing. If they admit as the evidence indicates: 1. They are selling KH's 2. They are not building new KH's 3. They are consolidating/merging congregations 4. They are losing over 90% of 17-29 year olds 5. Middle-aged couples are fading at an alarming rate 6. Elderly are passing off the scene and reducing contributions as a byproduct 7. Disfellowshippings continue at a very high rate with only a small percentage returning to seek reinstatement. Many who succeed then fade shortly afterward 8. More members than ever before are officially disassociating by letter 9. New converts are scarcer than hens teeth (virtually non-existent) ... then many additional JW's who are fence-sitters will walk away. There is no honest way to represent this as "growing in size".


freelivingaussie

Why is it watchtower feb 2022? That’s 4 months from now


Abalabi_jw

So that they can study when Armageddon is over. So they print them ahead of time


larchington

That’s how they roll.


Oldwhiteguyherenow

In the old days, WB&TS printed lots of actual magazines on actual printing presses. They prepared the magazines several months in advance so that they could be printed, shipped and distributed door to door and by USPS. They still prepare ahead even if the rest of the work no longer is part of their SOP. It confuses people. To correct the time lapse, they could let several months elapse with no issues released, but so far they have not done that. In the past, some of their articles were read by news magazines who then did their own stories on the subject and went to press, coinciding with the congregations receiving their copies. Members were spellbound! WB&TS seemed to be predicting what would be in the news months ahead, when in fact, they had merely provided the creative input for other news organizations (the most liberal media mostly) to delve into the issue. I wondered if headquarters was sending early copies to news organizations hoping that they would piggyback on some of the articles. It was a good gig until the gig was up.


freelivingaussie

Well that may have some minor truth to it but no news organisation is predicting shit. They can’t get the weather for next week right. The Borg is mostly way behind these days. Take Covid as an example.


Oldwhiteguyherenow

News organizations were not predicting, they were simply featuring the same stories that were in the WTC magazines. Reporters sought to capitallize on the large distribution of the Watchtower and Awake. I think they also believed (erroneously) that WTC had a thumb on the pulse of the people - little did they know that the writers were mostly pulling ideas about stories from letters that came in from publishers. They were under immense pressure to publish so they drew from many many sources. Lots of articles were submitted or commissioned and then edited to improve the readability, length etc. Nevertheless, the average witness got the impression that Watchtower was ahead of Time, Newsweek, and other weekly news magazines. They never understood how the "coincidence" worked. These days Watchtower is considerably more insulated and not open to fresh ideas. They are spending most of their time treading water in the CSA onslaught, maintaining a donation stream from publishers, and tamping down dissenters in and outside the congregation.


Dont_Forget_My_Name

"Oceania had always been at war with East-Asia."


larchington

Yes!


Oldwhiteguyherenow

Very poignant quote from 1984 :)


DebbDebbDebb

So young baptised brother 🤔 wtf they are after the pre teens now. I bet if told many jws parents would send their young ones for the greater good (brownie points ) of entering parasite and jw status.


dznyboy93

Maybe their waistlines