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_-what_now-_

Jws say that the reason you shouldn't accept blood is because blood is a symbol for life and therefore sacred. The Bible does say that one shouldn't consume blood due to this, as it is disrespectful to life. Rather blood should be poured out before eating the animal. Jws believe that a blood transfusion is a feeding of blood and therefore consumption. That being said, what is more important, the symbol or the actual thing? Why trade your life for the symbol of life? That's like trading your wife for a wedding ring. When Jesus came to earth, one of his main talking points was that the scribes and pharisees (religious leaders of his time) had made God's laws a burden by asking more than what God expected of people. The insight book (a jw encyclopedia) under Sabbath says that the mosaic law asked for people not to work on Saturday. The pahrisees extended that law to mean that if you killed a flee that was biting you, you were technically hunting and therfore working. You could then be tried for that offense. In other words, the blood policy isn't Jesus like, it's pharisaical. It asks more than what is specified in the scriptures. The scriptures only ask you not to eat blood, to ask anymore is to not be Christian. I'm agnostic btw Edit: also the Jws used to consider organ transplants as cannibalism, now they don't. All I'm saying is if their constantly changing their policies, they shouldn't be in charge of deciding life or death matters. How many people died before they changed that policy? How many people have to die due to this policy?


I_am_Kooky

I do like the wedding ring analogy. Thank you for your response, it's really good.


_-what_now-_

Not mine personally, I heard it first in an interview with Raymond Franz, ex Governing Body member, on YouTube. If you haven't read his book Crisis of Conscience, I highly recommend it.


I_am_Kooky

I started to listen to a free version on the youtube, but it was taken down, and just been busy and not gotten back to it. I will put it back on the list, or finally get an audible account or something.


Ithurtswhenidoit

I looked my wife in the eye. I asked if she would take the stand for the religion if our daughter needed blood. She said she would. I said " I'm having a hard time dealing with the fact that you would fight me to watch her die." It broke her, that year my daughter had her first birthday at ten. I we all had our first Christmas. Good luck to you.


I_am_Kooky

What a fantastic response to her! I'm so happy for you guys.


Ithurtswhenidoit

We broke up. Hahaha


I_am_Kooky

I miss read that, Im so sorry!


Ithurtswhenidoit

No, sorry. It worked great. We broke up later.


DebbDebbDebb

🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥰💯👍


TheFactedOne

Um, I don't believe anything the watchtower org puts out. Why would I care about blood?


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I_am_Kooky

So beautifully put, thankyou so much.


yesmycathasteeth

Plasma is in breast milk. It is ok to consume brest milk it's ok to consume plasma.


beaten_not_defeated

Research. And I have friends that need transfusions to live. I donate for them and others like them


gdubh

Just know if he holds fast to that belief, he would most likely (with the WT’s help) fight you in court to keep your children from receiving life-saving treatment.


I_am_Kooky

He did already agree to not let it harm the kids, they will never go to a KH, never not have birthdays or blood, it's just his personal thing with his body. He agreed to getting blood if medically necessary because he doesn't want to lose me. He is not coping and I don't know, just trying to find a way to help, or just vent because it sucks and the ex-jw community would get that.


gdubh

Regarding kids, I’d get that in a legally binding contract.


ibpenquin

The scriptures WT uses to defend the blood issue specifically talk about “eating meat with blood”. Eating blood, not blood transfusions. (Gen. 9:4, Lev. 17:10, Due. 12:23, Acts 15:28,29, Lev. 17:14) The GB twist the scriptures and imply that they are talking about transfusions. They are literally adding to the Bible when they do this. Paul said at 1 Cor. 10:25-29 25 Eat whatever is sold in a meat market, making no inquiry because of your conscience, 26 for “to Jehovah belong the earth and everything in it.” 27If an unbeliever invites you and you want to go, eat whatever is set before you, making no inquiry on account of your conscience. But if anyone says to you, “This is something offered in sacrifice,” do not eat because of the one who told you and because of conscience. I do not mean your own conscience, but that of the other person. For why should my freedom be judged by another person’s conscience? (NWT) This was a Don’t ask, don’t tell situation. A loophole so you could eat without a bad conscience. Jesus said at Mark 7:18,19 17Now when he had entered a house away from the crowd, his disciples began to question him about the illustration. 18 So he said to them: “Are you also without understanding like them? Are you not aware that nothing from outside that enters into a man can defile him, 19 since it enters, not into his heart, but into his stomach, and it passes out into the sewer?” Thus he declared all foods clean.(NWT) Jesus made all food clean, he removed any laws about blood. And since Jesus is the only one that really matters, his word is final. Jesus said in Luke 13:11-18, talking about healing on the sabbath, Jesus broke the law and valued life over law. Releasing everyone from being punished for doing so. 18 Should not this woman, who is a daughter of Abraham and whom Satan held bound for 18 years, be released from this bondage on the Sabbath day?” Jesus said in Luke 14:2-6, again talking about healing on the sabbath. 2 And look! a man who had dropsy was in front of him. 3So in response Jesus asked those versed in the Law and the Pharisees: “Is it lawful to cure on the Sabbath or not?”4 But they kept silent. With that he took hold of the man, healed him, and sent him away. 5Then he said to them: “Who of you, if his son or bull falls into a well, will not immediately pull him out on the Sabbath day?” 6 And they were not able to reply to this. As far as Life over Law; there is Pikuach Nefesh In Judaism, human life is essential and so pikuach nefesh, the obligation to save a life in jeopardy, is considered a major value to uphold. This obligation applies to both an immediate threat and a less grave danger that has the potential of becoming serious. Pikuach nefesh is derived from the biblical verse, “Neither shall you stand by the blood of your neighbor” (Lev. 19:16). According to pikuach nefesh a person must do everything in their power to save the life of another, even donate bodily organs. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/pikuach-nefesh


I_am_Kooky

An awesome illustration and simply explained! thankyou so much.


throwaway-lurkmeistr

Show your *~~husband~~ fiancé this article: https://www.kindredbravely.com/blogs/bravely/5-fascinating-facts-about-breastmilk "White blood cells protect the body from illness and disease. Around week 16 of your pregnancy, you begin making colostrum, the earliest form of breast milk. It contains 1 to 5 million white blood cells per milliliter."


I_am_Kooky

He read the entire JW-facts page on blood. I didn't tell him that's where I got it, but . . .he knows in his brain, but is struggling to get past the indoctrination and the deep fear that it installs. Thankyou so much.


throwaway-lurkmeistr

The leaders tell the followers to trust in their commands even if they don't make sense. They've said that in their publications recently. They really don't want anyone trusting in their own thinking ability. There was a time when Watchtower flip-flopped on their stance on organ transplants. https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/quotes/transplants.php If they can't get it right with this, how can anyone trust what they say about blood transfusions? And what about all the people who needed a organ transplant during the time they were banned? Some people probably lost their lives due to that teaching. Tens of thousands have lost their lives due to the blood doctrine. Imagine the outrage if they ever went back on that teaching. Another thing I find helpful for explaining: https://imgur.com/a/y3yiM6z Also, the scripture that JWs refer to to justify their teaching has nothing to do with any kind of medical procedure. It had to do with slaughtering and bleeding an animal so as to not become ill. There is also an account of Jesus rescuing a sheep from a pit on the Sabbath. He was taunted by the pharisees, but in Jesus' opinion he did nothing wrong to save a life by breaking the sabbath.


Fe2O3Girl

I’ve taken a hybrid approach. I’m a blood donor and I would accept a blood transfusion without hesitation but I choose not to eat blood. I treat it as a cultural thing. I have broken just about every other JW rule (divorced, voted, had lots of lovely sex, celebrated holidays, had a termination, got a career and an education) so I keep that small dietary restriction as a sort of memento. I don’t follow it strictly - I have eaten black pudding as part of a restaurant meal - I just wouldn’t have a slice of it. The rest of my family love black pudding and that doesn’t bother me at all. The JW teaching on blood does instill a revulsion for blood so it’s not as easy as just deciding you don’t believe it anymore - particularly if you are still mentally in. If he says he would accept a transfusion to save his life that is a good start.


reneva211

Ok but they used to send women who were menstrating outside the walls too …., let’s just be honest - somethings in the bible relate to the medical care and science they knew back then. They didn’t have the science to understand these things back then. Let’s just move on


DebbDebbDebb

My best friend husband is high up in the blood donations in one section of the UK. After him anything re bloods pros and cons and he knows it. We don't talk jw but I thought I would. He has 3 degrees and a masters and he said I can sum up jws in a word? Bonkers.


More-Age-6342

"a wonderful POMI JW man" Is that an oxymoron?


I_am_Kooky

He truly is lovely in all aspects of life outside his religion, we get along great and all that. He is kind, handsome, supportive and funny has always come through, on everything he promised. This our one point of contention and I understand that the blood thing is a deep indoctrination thing.


More-Age-6342

Yes, you're right- he is under cult mind control. I hope he will wake up at some point.