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IPreferDiamonds

Ivermectin has been approved for people to use for many years. It comes in many forms and is not just a horse dewormer.


dukof

It is one of the safest drugs known, with extensive history of use all over the world for man and animal. It's on the WHO's list of essential medicines. Here is why Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine was undermined by ([regulatory capture](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture)) regulators: Both these drugs cost from 1-3$ per dose. They are both generic drugs, meaning patents are expired so price is low and no single company earns much from them. Remdesivir, a new drug seeking approval for Covid-19 cost several thousands of dollars for a treatment. But new drugs like Remdesivir needed an EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) for Covid-19, while the existing drugs didn't. Now here is the key: >"For FDA to issue an EUA, **there must be no adequate, approved, and available alternative** to the candidate product for diagnosing, preventing, or treating the disease or condition." >https://www.fda.gov/media/97321/download (page 8) This also applies to the EUAs of **vaccines**. So these drugs, if their successful outcomes for Covid-19 were accepted, would be a legal barrier for approval of both vaccines and new/experimental drugs.


CastleFrankl

This basically sums up the reason perfectly.


Fooomanchu

It's not that it's popular per se, but the Emergency Use Authorization for the big pharma injections is only valid so long as an effective treatment is not found. The suppression of alternative treatments by the medical establishment, politicians and legacy media highlights the rampant corruption in our institutions.


purehandsome

Ivermectin is safer than asprin, used for 40 years in around 4 Billion people. It is also very good at saving people. Injecting something is extremely different than consuming. Your body can defend against injection but we are primarily geared towards protecting against consumption. Like if you drink poison, you can throw up, you can have diahrea to get it out of the system, your liver can filter out a huge range of poison at certain levels. If you inject something, your body has a limited amount of mechanisms to deal with it especially weird shit like mRNA that has never been thrust into people in a certain way. Yes pills can be deadly but Ivermectin not only has a long safety history. There was even a case where a lady tried to kill herself with it but was fine a couple days later. Ivermectin also went through proper placebo controlled safety trials. Anyway, here are some stats about Ivermectin: IVERMECTIN FOR COVID-19 67 TRIALS, 649 SCIENTISTS, 49,492 PATIENTS 31 RANDOMIZED CONTROLLED TRIALS 85°/o IMPROVEMENT IN 15 PROPHYLAXIS (protecting against getting COVID) TRIALS RR 0.15 \[0.09-0.25\] 67% IMPROVEMENT IN 29 EARLY TREATMENT TRIALS (after getting COVID) RR 0.33 \[0.24-0.47\] 38% IMPROVEMENT IN 23 LATE TREATMENT TRIALS RR 0.62 \[0.50-0.77\] 58% IMPROVEMENT IN 28 MORTALITY RESULTS RR 0.42 \[0.31-0.57\] 57% IMPROVEMENT IN 31 RANDOMIZED CONTROLLED TRIALS RR 0.43 \[0.31-0.61\] It is a valuable tool ALL this COVID garbage would have been FINISHED if they gave everyone who was exposed or came back positive, a weeks worth of pills. But anyone with any sense knows, it was never about health and always about control.


ZenRx

Stats with sources are better than stats without sources.


AbstractHoloFractal

It's one of the most prescribed medications globally. Side effects are well known and doses are specific. Anything gives you side effects in high doses so your remark there is moot. It's a protease inhibitor that many doctors have proof of helping with covid recovery rate and less severe symptoms. However once the MSM got wind of this they created the "anti-vaxxers taking HoRsE MeDiCiNe" narrative to keep people focused on taking the vaccines.


subwoofer-wildtype

Exactly. There is understandably a huge lack of trust in the establishment because of their very poor track record both precovid and during covid. Ivermectin is well known so people trust it because of it's track record. There are no dishonest intentions behind ivermectin, the demonization of it by media and establishment players such as cdc only make people more suspicious. This is all irregardless of the drugs efficacy. But to be honest, vaccine advocates also base their actions on faith and not science.


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Early_Construction68

Prerequisite for emergency approval of the vaccines that there is “no treatment available”. Go figure.


Nuuskurkoer

ivermect has been aroud 30 years. if you say little is known about its side effects. then how much can be known about the vax that has been around less than a year.


Stillnotaspider2

Sure I can explain that and perhaps should have explained that in my original post. It has been used for a long time as a way to get rid of parasites or on in humans and we know quite a lot about the side effects for this usage. So we have a general idea how it affects our body when we are healthy or when we are suffering from certain parasites etc. What we don't know in such detail is what it does to you when covid messes with your body. There could be all sorts of unexpected interactions. Humans are complex and biology is weird / messy like that especially when it comes down the the immune system. A large part of my formal education was focused on how we could trick the immune system of plants with one sort of attack / stress factor / pathogen to up or down regulate the response against an other. Trust me weird and unexpected things can happen and plants aren't even close to the complexity of humans. Now I don't expect serious side effects to happen on large scale, for we should have seen them by now. But the rarer side effects do matter when we administer it this scale and when we are comparing it with the vaccine for they will pop up if they are there, just as the rare side effects of some of the vaccines manifested when we rolled them out world wide.


Nuuskurkoer

alas, pro-vaxers and government are very mean and don't allow you using ivermectin for covid cure.


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Because it seems to work. I know two totally out of shape people (Father and son) that got sick with covid. The father was really getting nailed by it. This was way, WAY before it was all over the news. The doctor begrudgingly prescribed it to them and within' a few days time their symptoms were gone. I'm not saying you should be doing lines of ivermectin assuming you'll never get sick, but what's scary is that the mere idea of treatments is shut down by the vaccine cult. We're dealing with people that think taking Zinc to improve your immune system is a conspiracy....


Stillnotaspider2

I get this it seems to work / it could work attitude, so lets try it attitude when it comes down to deadly diseases that science doesn't have a good answer to jet. Adventurous / desperate people all over the world have been doing this for ages. What I don't get is how this adventurous attitude towards ivermectin usage overlaps with the risk averse who aren't willing to take the vaccine due to possible side effects. I would have expected those with the lets throw anything at it and see what sticks attitude to you know be totally into every experimental new vaccine before it was even approved and those who aren't sure about the vaccines that passed the tests be against anything that hasn't at least been tested to a higher standard for this usage.


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Ivermectin is much safer than the vaccine. After seeing what it’s doing to people, I don’t even think it’s close.


Fingerless-Thief

This is why you are confused. Ivermectin has decades of evidence to show it is absolutely safe, it isn't anywhere near how you are perceiving the situation.


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Fingerless-Thief

Not sure you meant to reply to me, mate.


Federal_North_3101

Because it works. And wont kill/harm you.


OLSAU

Internet is currently being scrubbed for Ivermectin info ... censored ... memoryholed.


Buggini

Yeah. Disturbing. They reallllllly want access to everyone’s dna and ivermectin stops that plan


PIagueRat

Cause unlike the experimental Jab. Ivermectin is harmless and it actually works.


Quiet_Set_1268

Your skepticism is very logical. I think a lot of people forget that medications don’t always just have one sole purpose regardless of the reason for it being invented. For example, a medication for bipolar depression can also be extremely effective for severe migraines or quitting smoking when nothing else works except that it’s pretty cool. And there are times where a drug that is beneficial for one animal (and benefits outweigh risks) but also for another while serving multiple purposes. This is why there is an entire field of medicine. It’s gets really complex really fast. Try looking up some case studies and and paying attention to the metabolic interaction with Ivermectin.


Stillnotaspider2

Ok so I only have a Ba in Biology with a focus on microorganisms and know next to nothing about the complexities of human virus interactions and only the absolute fundamentals of toxicology. So I have absolutely no idea of the possible mechanisms that you are pointing at. I'm kinda lost here. Could you please explain to me what metabolic interactions this is all about, how these help you against the virus, how these interactions don't result in severe unwanted side effects and how this has proven to be more effective with less risks than the regular treatments or the vaccine?


Quiet_Set_1268

Wow that’s great! Should be helpful in your research. I think it’s best for you to search for yourself because it’s not really something that can be summarized in a Reddit comment. Considering your degree I’m sure you’d understand how to read case studies. Looks like another commenter gave a ton starting points.


Stillnotaspider2

No sadly it isn't that helpful really. If you give me a publication on some kind of agrobacterium infecting a plant (preferably arabidopsis for some plants are weird) and I would be able to read it if I refreshed some of my knowledge again to the level that you would need to understand it. I want to be able to notice obvious mistakes. I want to be able to notice it if they completely ignored an obvious pathway that could also explain the results or if they made some unit conversion error etc. The sad truth is that I can't do that when I'm reading papers about human immune responses to viruses or medicine etc. I would be able to recognize the obvious bad stuff such the source not being an academic paper but some random blog without good sources. But I wouldn't be able to recognize any obvious errors that would be the fields equivalent of claiming that human bodies should be at 370\*C to properly function. They could be completely ignoring a relevant immune response pathway, or even multiply one axis of a graph with 10x or even 100x and I wouldn't be able to notice it. The only thing that I can do is trust those who can read those articles and write review articles about them.


Sindawe

Here ya go. Possible modes of action of ivermectin. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8203399/


Quiet_Set_1268

That makes sense. I know exactly what you mean. Unfortunately for anyone it’s a lot of reading and finding case studies that are even relevant but this one here from Sindawe is pretty good and another commenter left a ton of articles that might be worth looking into. I know there’s a few archives online with an enormous amount case studies like could keep you busy for weeeeks


Stillnotaspider2

It isn't only just a lot of reading. Its also a waste of your time, for you and I are unable to come to the correct conclusions on our own. To put it bluntly you can't do your own research on a complicated issue without the correct and extremely specific scientific background. Those huge lists of articles are no exception. Any university student can conjure up a list of articles with interesting titles given a few hours. This is the easy part of doing literature research. The hard part is valuing those articles, are there any important ones left out, are these articles relevant are the conclusions correct are they concluding what you expected them to conclude etc. This requires in depth knowledge that we as outsiders simply miss. For example lets take the politics out if and look at something as simple as protecting your cabbages from caterpillars. I could give you all sorts of interesting articles that showed to you that plants bitten by the caterpillars lowered their defences against a nasty fungus infection and other articles on how those fungus infections are horrible for plants including all sorts of interesting molecular mechanisms. I might follow up the list by claiming that the fungus is the real thread here and that you should be using fungicide instead of a way to get rid of the caterpillars. But I could just as well have chosen a selection of articles that give you the rate of leaves consumed by caterpillars, molecular mechanisms of some fun new insecticide on those caterpillars and some articles that show the neurotoxicity of fungicides. Both lists of articles can be quite convincing and even consists of articles that are good on their own, but you wouldn't be able to point out what I omitted or explain to me the mechanism of crosstalk in plant immune responses or how relevant this all is for your cabbage patch ; ) And this is just a boring example where there isn't that much politics involved. Now imagine trying to do your own research based on a list of articles somewhere on the internet posted about a subject that is politicised.


Quiet_Set_1268

I completely disagree. But not worth writing a novel over. Sounds like a bunch of excuses for being lazy to me. Probably why you want someone else to do all the work for you and then tell you what they find. Why’d you bother making this post then?


IwatchF0Xnews

CNN said it doesnt work. I do the opposite of everything CNN says.


Stillnotaspider2

Why...? I can't begin to grasp this as an European. How can something like the workings of a medicine be this politicised? Forget CNN suppose that it worked then why didn't the producer of the stuff started the procedure to register it as a covid medicine like all the producers of antivirals did?


athena7979

It has antiviral properties that have been shown to help the patient if given early in the disease process.


SmearingFeces

Because they are Centaurs.


itsBhaR

They just embrace anything against Vaccine.


Nuthetes

Because they believe any codswallop that right-wing websites tell them. ​ There is zero evidence that Ivermectin can be used to cure coronavirus. Fact.


Mike6208

There's plenty of evidence saying it works. You are just too far left to see it. Keep watching cnn


purehandsome

I am super far left and I also think vaccines are BS and that Ivermectin works (and the science does too) Just so you know, we exist. Biden sucks, Trump sucks, Pharmaceutical companies lie and kill people for profit.


Nuthetes

Source Peer reviewed academic papers only


purehandsome

67 TRIALS, 649 SCIENTISTS, 49,492 PATIENTS 31 RANDOMIZED CONTROLLED TRIALS 85°/o IMPROVEMENT IN 15 PROPHYLAXIS (protecting against getting COVID) TRIALS RR 0.15 \[0.09-0.25\] 67% IMPROVEMENT IN 29 EARLY TREATMENT TRIALS (after getting COVID) RR 0.33 \[0.24-0.47\] 38% IMPROVEMENT IN 23 LATE TREATMENT TRIALS RR 0.62 \[0.50-0.77\] 58% IMPROVEMENT IN 28 MORTALITY RESULTS RR 0.42 \[0.31-0.57\] 57% IMPROVEMENT IN 31 RANDOMIZED CONTROLLED TRIALS RR 0.43 \[0.31-0.61\]


Nuthetes

Source? Peer reviewed academic papers only


purehandsome

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Quiet_Set_1268

There is a huge difference between a CURE and a TREATMENT.


twitchspank

There are zero clinical studies that show Ivermectin works against Covid. For parasitic infections which Covid is not it works great. So what convinces people it works? IMHO it is just hatred of the vaccines


purehandsome

There ARE 67 studies and 31 Randomized control trials. It IS an anti-parasitic AND it prevents replication of viruses. Much like Botox can A. kill you B. relax the muscles in your face so you can look smooth but strange and C. be used to stop migraine headaches. "these results demonstrate that ivermectin has antiviral action against the SARS-CoV-2 clinical isolate in vitro, with a single dose able to control viral replication within 24–48 h in our system. We hypothesise that this is likely through inhibiting IMPα/β1-mediated nuclear import of viral proteins (Fig. 1G), as shown for other RNA viruses (Tay et al., 2013; Wagstaff et al., 2012; Yang et al., 2020);" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7129059/


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Well the link you gave me is for Ivermectin in vitro. This is not a randomized control trial. It is in a test tube / lab encironment. So please show me a double blind clinical trial which shows Ivermectin is effective versus Covid. I dont want 67 studies. Just one will suffice. I can show you the same for vaccines so why you trust pseudoscience?


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You clearly have no understanding of it, then. When I hear people say "Bruh it anti-parasitic! COVID NOT PARASITE!" it shows just how out of their league they are.


twitchspank

So what parasite do you think Covid is from or what other use has Ivermectin been used for in the past except parasitic diseases? Your lack of explanation shows how ignorance is the league you know


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That's not true at all, though. They even use Ivermectin cream for people with Rosacea. Again, no idea what you're talking about.


twitchspank

[https://www.drugs.com/ivermectin.html](https://www.drugs.com/ivermectin.html) "Ivermectin is an anti-parasite medication used to treat parasitic diseases." We can look at Rosacea if you like which is parasitic [https://www.dermatologytimes.com/view/parasites-and-inflammation-fuel-rosacea](https://www.dermatologytimes.com/view/parasites-and-inflammation-fuel-rosacea) So please tell me what is wrong with what I say


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They don't know what causes Rosacea, actually. It could be an over active immune system. Regardless, many countries are using Ivermectin that aren't afraid to speak out against the vaccine narrative and succeeding.


twitchspank

"All individuals have demodex mites on their face, Dr. Gooderham notes" so it is parasitic


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Just because we have mites on our face does not make it parasitic. Ivermectin has anti-viral properties and it also treats inflammation. You're wrong. This treatment has worked and is working. Infinitely better than that piece of shit vaccine giving people heart problems.


twitchspank

Ivermectin does not have anti viral properties in a clinical setting only in a test tube. Show me a clinical double blind study that shows it is effective versus Covid. I guarantee it does not exist. But thank you for your antivaxx misinformation


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You sound much smarter than I am, lol. Honestly I've got no response for that so I'll concede.