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Why does paleo diet get so much shit?

Why does paleo diet get so much shit?

sirthomashenry

In addition to what others have mentioned, I find the most criticism regarding how restrictive paleo is. Many dietitians/anthropologists have criticized the demonization of legumes, whole grains and all dairy. Most people in this sub will probably tell you they incorporate some of that stuff unless they have a demonstrated sensitivity to it. However it doesn’t change the fact that paleo guidelines do ban those things, and dietitians have two main critiques: 1) there isn’t an overwhelming amount of evidence to show that most people shouldn’t eat brown rice, quinoa, beans, etc. in moderation and 2) as a method for losing weight, a lot of people don’t do well with diets that don’t have flexibility. Anyone that follows paleo long term will tell you of course it’s impossible to be 100% paleo every day forever. However as a baseline for your diet, I doubt anyone can really provide a scientifically based argument against eating a diet centered around unprocessed vegetables, fruits, meats, nuts and oils.


FullCircle75

Great summation.


Cruelintenti0ns

I’ve recently found paleo and the reason I love it the most is I stay away from processed foods and added chemicals/flavors. I’ve never felt better eating clean simple food it just makes sense.


EnJoY120

Other than it being expensive (potentially) and time-consuming (cooking / prep), it's not. I did strict paleo for about 6 months while I was already in the best shape of my life, and somehow I got in even better shape. Went from 8% body fat to around 6% and put on muscle even easier. This is when I was 25, so different body than what I have now at nearly 35. My energy levels were insane and I walked around shirtless as often as I could. I only stopped out of expense from grocery shopping and life getting busier and in the way. Ala, choosing convenience over health.


Max-Powah

The expense and time is BS. I can throw meat and veggies and spices in a crackpot in 5 minutes. And a crackpot meal will feed my family dinner for two or three days for maybe 10-20 bucks, depending on ingredients. You can't feed a family of four once at McDonald's for that. If you go totally organic for fruits and veggies and only eat grass fed free range meats it can get more expensive, sure. But most people would make huge progress by just eliminating processed "crap in a box." I think that's where a lot of confusion lies with Paleo. Some people think "orthodox paleo" is the only path. I eat dairy (because I tolerate it well). I eat some grains, including rice, couscous, etc. I still enjoy microbrews and bourbon on occasion. I'm not obsessive by any stretch. Yet I still weigh at 41 what I weighed in high school track, give or take 5 pounds. My blood markers are all good. I sleep like a baby. Sex drive is good. Energy is great. When people ask me what my "diet" is I don't call it Paleo. I just say I eat a mainly whole food diet. Shrug.


Triabolical_

Yep.


HewnVictrola

It is expensive and time consuming for this who can,t buy and cook in bulk.


Triabolical_

Compared to what? If you are getting your calories from really cheap carbohydrate staples, then yes, it's more expensive. If you are eating any processed food at all, then I don't think there's very much difference.


HewnVictrola

Clearly, beans and rice, legumes and noodles, are so much cheaper, and easier to store in bulk. I find it disingenuous to suggest otherwise.


Triabolical_

Which is what I said.


DonnerJack666

The fact that there are other diets/food options that are cheaper, even dirt cheap, doesn’t mean paleo should be expensive. More expensive than eating beans and rice? Definitely. If you eat nose to tail and don’t waste/throw away food? unless you eat steak every day it shouldn’t cost you much. Just compare buying a whole chicken instead of buying it in parts. You can easily break down a chicken (when you know what you’re doing you can do this real quick), you’ll have lots of parts that can be used for making stock, skewers, rendering the fat etc. that you’d pay for but won’t actually get when buying broken down.


RockabillyBelle

My partner and I did strict paleo for about 6 months when the world shut down and I felt the same. Best shape of my life, my body felt healthy, and I never felt gross or too-full after eating anything. I like to get creative in the kitchen too so I found some really good pie crust and non-naan bread recipes that almost hold up to the real deal. Same as you though, the expense caught up to us. Now we’re trying to find a happy medium.


BiggerWiggerDeluxe

The expenses I can agree with. It's alot cheaper to just buy bread and rice than to buy a variety of vegetables


[deleted]

I was on a vegan diet for 5 years. Being an active person who works out regularly, I began wasting away. Super thin, couldn't gain weight, muscle. Long bouts of lethargy. Had difficulty recovering from workouts. And yes, I did it the right way. Whole Foods only. Tons of veg, fruit, soaked legumes, variety of grains, healthy nut butters and oils, no soy, etc. I switched to basically a "Paleo" diet and all of my ailments subsided. In the first year, I gained 15 lbs of mostly lean muscle. Energy thougout the day. Faster recovery from workouts. And all of my digestion issues vanished (grains and legumes would grind away in my gut). I've stuck to a mostly paleo diet ever since (9 yrs) and I'm in the best shape of my life at 40. I do include white rice and sweet potato, so I'm not strict "paleo", but very close. Paleo might not be the best diet for everyone, but there couldn't be a more healthy diet for me.


Max-Powah

Same. I think paleo is a great starting point for people on the SAD diet. From there, just figure out what you can tolerate and how much effort you want to put in to get the best results you are happy with. Some people just don't feel good on a low carb or meat heavy version of paleo so I think they need to tailor it to their needs and activity level. That's why I just say that I eat a whole food diet. Sure, I could over analyze everything I eat and get my body fat percentage down in the low teens but I don't see the need for it. I enjoy my indulgences and just follow the 80/20 rule and life is good. I'm glad you're feeling good and doing well. Keep up the good work, brother.


pananana1

>My energy levels were insane This is the main reason I am looking at trying paleo. I feel kinda tired a lot of the time, and it seems weird. Are you pretty sure that it was the paleo diet that made your energy level increase?


EnJoY120

Without question - it was akin to the lethargy you feel after eating a lot of fast food. You feel slow. Paleo made my normal diet feel like fast food.


pananana1

Awesome! You might have just convinced me to go through with it haha.


corpusapostata

Money, to put it bluntly. Processed food is a multi-*trillion* dollar industry. Paleo, Keto, Carnivore, and any other non-processed food way-of-eating is a threat to that revenue stream. Globally, snack food *alone* is a 500 billion dollar industry. Money will trump good health every time. *Any* argument in agreement with eating processed foods, carbs, grains, etc., is backed by money, not science. The reality is that carbohydrates are cheap, plentiful, easily processed into just about anything (even "meat"), addictive, and above all, insanely profitable.


OHags

This. Right on. Always follow the $


MattyDubbyDubs

I'll add on that the processed food industry has a presence in non-processed approaches by way of supplements, prepackaged snacks, and condiments. The term "paleo" means different things to different folks but there is something about prepackaged paleo protein bars that seems out of line with what paleo is about.


mashton

YouTube is clickbate bullshit


Greyzer

Any diet that's popular will get hate videos on Youtube. Paleo also disagrees with the traditional view on (un)saturated fats, legumes and whole grain products.


_CommanderKeen_

Because people are highly invested in their food. Food is like a drug, and the modern diet of junk food especially so. People have emotional connections to their food. This is why obesity is so prevalent. On top of this is generally poor nutritional science. Our entire paradigm is built on agriculture and cultivation of wheat as a staple food. Nutritional science has started from the basis that the food we've been eating for the past several thousand years must be ok for us. So to question that is 'fringe' science. Fringe thinking is automatically met with skepticism (for good reason). Now the medical, health, and fitness communities in order to maintain a sense of authority, must adhere to the scientific method. So they will ignore 'fringe' science (even though common sense would tell us that our diet evolved over hundreds of thousands of years) that says 'hey, maybe our staple foods are only good at keeping us alive instead of keeping us at our most healthy'. (I'll also add that many medical professionals actually look at new research and say 'yeah, there's something there, we just don't understand it yet.' This is healthy scientific skepticism). To go a step further - people with youtube shows or blogs or whatever, in order to sound knowledgeable will appeal to skeptics (without understanding the science themselves) by saying 'such and such' is debunked. Of course, in many cases that means misrepresenting the issue from the beginning. With all that said, paleo folk are just as inclined to the above shortsightedness. That's why you see paleo recipes filled with maple syrup. Because some paleo 'expert' said 'don't use refined sugar, use maple syrup!', ignoring the amount is more important than the source. Finally, food is big business. Manipulating people emotionally is a sound advertising strategy. And buying 'research' is an effective method of propaganda.


TruePrimal

We would not use maple syrup in any of our products, so no vested interest here in defending it, but gram for gram there's no way that maple syrup has the endocrine-disregulating satiety-malfunctioning impact of pure refined sugar. Pure refined sugar screws up the brain in an entirely different way. [citation: watching people eat Oreos vs watching people eat paleo cookies] The "invested in their food" is I think the real winning answer here. People hate to be told that something they love is killing them. And people love refined sugar and donuts.


Triabolical_

The sugar in maple syrup is mostly sucrose, and it's fairly bio-available - it has a GI of 58 compared to 65 for sucrose. It's a little better.


TruePrimal

GI is certainly important, but I think there's more going on. I'd love to see ad libitum satiety studies comparing different sugar sources, along with GI blood monitors.


Triabolical_

It would be interesting, but I would not expect to see much of a difference.


coffeefrog92

There's a lingering perception that it's actually just the carnivore diet. On top of that, there's a growing vegan movement demonising all meat consumption. In reality, you can't poke holes in a nutrient dense diet of meat and vegetables.


Whaines

You can poke environmental holes, at least.


Triabolical_

Factory animal farms aren't great environmentally, and they do depend on grain. But there are a lot of grazing practices that are much better environmentally. And if you are against "big animal" then you should be against "big agriculture" from an ecological perspective.


Whaines

I didn't say I was any sort of anything; I agree with what you're saying.


Harolduss

Indeed. There is no future wherein everybody can eat a diet with even a moderate amount of meat whilst being sustainable. Much of the non-Western world get most of their calories from non-meat products. This imbalance is another way in which rich Western countries are ruining the planet for poor societies, who are the ones who will bear the brunt of climate change's outcomes. 30%+ of Greenhouse gas emissions come from animal agriculture when accounting for everthing. (Deforestation, animal emissions, transportation) Consider the fact that our grandchildren will most likely not eat any meat, it will become more apparent to people over time that it is inherently unsustainable, hence it will continue to go down over tine. Might as well give it up now so that you are on the right side of history.


Jay_Normous

Everyone else has suggested very good reasons already but one that I would add is the public perception of it being a "caveman" diet. People who have done little to no research into the foundation of the diet just hear that it's a bunch of people trying to eat like cavemen and immediately write it off as silly.


LowTHalp

Paleo seems to come closest to my diet. I gotta do it because otherwise my skin goes to shit. Helpful for acne or autoimmune issues. Theres some interesting studies about restricted diets(paleo-ish) and inflammation.


gingersnap0309

Yes! The anti-inflammation aspects are amazing. I am actually a little embarrassed to tell most people outright I’m on paleo, so I usually say I’m on a anti-inflammatory diet for health reasons.


LowTHalp

im not on paleo either, im doing low lectin. paleo seems to be the most overlapping to that. low lectin is about low lectin foods and high lectin foods. lectin is whats often connected with inflammation, antibodies and autoimmunity(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7036108/, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25599185/, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28087670/ ). i never understood whats the idea behind paleo. like can i test a food in the lab for paleo compatibility? is there a certain test that shows a food is paleo or not like there is for lectin, low carb/keto, gluten etc.?


DonnerJack666

Why do you need a “test” for a food item, if you have guidelines such as: 1. seasonal eating (fresh fruits/vegetables) 2. don’t go crazy with fruits/other sources of sugar/carbs. Logic: not that available naturally, so finding an tree? Go nuts. But every day? 3. eat just until you feel you’re full 4. and try to avoid stuff you’d need speciality machines/processes that you cannot recreate at home in a sane method 5. Oh, and sleep. Don’t forget sleep 6. Nutrient dense stuff 7. No grains/legumes (Edit: added 6,7)


LowTHalp

I didnt know that these are the guidelines that classify foods as paleo


DonnerJack666

Well, mostly - Paleo isn't a cult/religion/strictly defined. Also forgot nutrient-dense foods 🤦‍♂️, and usually restricts grains/legumes, especially if you don't soak them.


lexicon993

The paleo diet is typically **much** better than the standard American diet of processed food, but it is more in line with what humans ate in the past, which is an entirely different environment from what we live in today. While humans have obviously not evolved to adapt to junk food (and probably never will), we do live in a drastically different lifestyle from nomadic hunter gatherers long ago. Our makeup can evolve within as little as hundreds or 1000 years, meaning that the *exact* paleo diet may have a little too much meat (given the amount of exercise, we aren't trekking across mountains and journeying across the land each day) compared to what might be needed today, among other things. It's a much more solid diet than what most people are eating. But the amount of exercise humans used to get each day as hunter gatherers is not the amount we get today, so modifications to Paleo to account for cholesterol from the meat may be prudent. Other than that, it's an excellent diet, relatively. But perhaps we should be not considering the Paleo diet as the problem, but the fact that we aren't meant to sit at a desk for 10 hours a day and then go home and sit on a couch and stare at a phone or TV for 5 more. Rather than adjusting the diet (or in tandem), we could adjust our amount of exercise! That would be the ultimate combo that our body wants! But we'll likely never reach the amount of trekking involved with being a hunter gatherer (walking for days on end). It isn't realistic for human life today. A balance of adjustment in lifestyle and diet is a good idea, because the reality is, human life now involves sitting and using our brains, not our muscles, for many hours. It likely will for many years to come. But the paleo diet is a great start. It's all natural stuff, just needs to be eaten in a good balance for each person's lifestyle, exercise amounts, etc.


DonnerJack666

how did you connect meat to cholesterol? Try looking at fructose and corn syrup.


picklepuss13

When I brought more meat/eggs in, cholesterol, lipids, bp all went up for me. Took them out, went away. I get routine blood work from both GP and Urologist. Not every person will react the same to the diet.


DonnerJack666

Sorry to hear that. My wife was taking statins all her life, and once she went mostly-Paleo, and started eating several eggs a day, fatty meats, butter, etc. (things that she avoided since she was told it’s bad for her cholesterol/lipids), and cut out (well mostly, can’t avoid it when going out with friends) refined sugars, processed food, vegetable oils, and fructose (including agava), sugar substitutes (it’s better to just eat sugar…) - her levels were so improved that she stopped the statins. After her doctor suggested it, not on her own of course. However, everyone is different and you should do what is best for you and makes you feel better/listen to your body.


picklepuss13

Yeah, I mean, I felt fine, but my internal blood work was going south. And my family has a history of early heart attacks, so high bp high cholesterol high lipids is a no no. I was already eating clean and healthy and in good shape before Paleo though. It was the addition of all the red meat and eggs that I think did it to me. Before that, I didn't eat eggs at all, and mostly ate chicken breast, whey protein shakes and tuna for my protein. I still like the paleo concepts of eating natural foods, non processed, and avoid most grains, beans, and dairy.


chazzermamagement

Because pizza is delicious and cheeseburgers make everyone smile. Simple.


SmashBandit90

I can see how it isn't as affordable but I guess I haven't really heard anyone talk badly about it and I'm genuinely surprised this is a thing.


Bigjoeyjoe81

I don’t think people believe the foods you’ve listed are “wrong”. Those are all healthy foods. The issue that I see for its critics is more in the name “paleo”. We have nutritionists, Anthropologists etc. arguing that the modern paleo diet is not what our Paleolithic ancestors ate. Plus, people discuss how we are in a different time and how we have had grains for a while now for them to be safe and healthy to eat. Etc. There’s also a big push now for less restrictive diets.


PM-TITTIES-N-KITTIES

This is the one, when I started everyone who gave me crap about it and "fad diet" kind of stuff, was all about this... and I was just like, no I just found out there's a term for something I have always considered an ideal diet so now I feel more motivated to actually pursue it.


Homebrewingislife

You never see commercials for carrots, beets, asparagus, or cauliflower. Nutrient dense is the way to go.


Beautiful-Cat245

I tried paleo but it was too restrictive for me. However I still eat very little fast food/refined carbs/processed foods. I ended up adding some dairy, mainly Greek yogurt and occasionally cheese. Also a little more carbs mainly from more veggies and fruits than strictly allowed with occasionally eating whole grain bread and corn on the cob. I am still loosing weight and my H1ac is now in the pre diabetic stage instead of full blown diabetes. I think some of the principles of the paleo diet are very good but for me I found I feel better eating this way. I eat healthy 90 to 95% of the time now and the rest of the time I have my treats or a treat meal.


Steeldrop

A lot of diets, paleo included, get shit because people evaluate them only in the context of weight loss. If it didn’t lead to more weight loss than Weight Watchers or whatever then they say that it “doesn’t work”. I often hear that intermittent fasting and keto “don’t work” based on “scientific studies”, but when you get into it the studies are just comparing how much weight people lost under various protocols and don’t even evaluate body composition, biomarkers, etc. Guess it depends whether your goal is to be healthy or just to weigh less than you used to.


Arudeawakenin

Stop listening to what people think, there will always be haters no matter what diet you choose


TallClassic

I love paleo and don't use sugar either ... it is a great way to live and make food shopping easy. Good luck with it!


Afin12

Okay, I’ll throw my $0.02 cents in to explain the argument against the Paleo diet. This is not **my personal** opinion, but rather a logical argument that I think has some merit: The diet does cut out a lot of bad processed stuff like refined sugars, refined carbs, and trans fats that you don’t need much or any of. So the dietary benefits of this are very clear and easy to see. Paleo does, however, also cut out a lot of nutritious things that are arguably a cornerstone of a overall healthy diet, primarily certain carbohydrates. Stuff like lentils, quinoa, bulgar, brown rice, legumes, and whole wheat. These are nutritiously dense healthy carbs that can be easily purchased in a market with minimal or no processing or additives. These are foods that the human body has been consuming for thousands of years and is quite capable of digesting, with the exception of people with food allergies. These foods are also rich in protein, and provide an alternative to animal based sources of protein (meat and eggs) which are normally allowed on the paleo diet. These are not the equivalent of donuts, white bread, or candy bars, which cause sugar rushes, bloating, inflammation, etc. Basically, carbs are not poison. Refined carbs and sugar are. Second argument Is the paleo diet’s emphasis on eating meat, which will raise cholesterol levels and blood pressure in many (but not all) people, especially if you’re eating a lot of saturated fats. The paleo diet has an emphasis on consuming lots of protein from animal sources, so the high sat-fats content could be problematic. Your mileage may vary. I think in the end it’s whatever works for you as a sustainable diet that is sustainable for you long term. I’ve personally seen a lot of people go hardcore paleo, only to fall off the wagon six months later.


lanq143

i think the caveman thing is just silly / a bit embarrassing


tonepoems

An additional perspective I haven't seen yet - unfortunately there are some people who bypass the spirit of paleo to justify the way they want to eat and call it healthy. I've seen it more with keto, but also with paleo - for instance: *Oh no, I won't have the chickpea salad, that's not paleo, but do bring me your biggest steak with a fried egg on top, sweet potato fries, asparagus with extra olive oil, because that's healthier.* Gives those who are trying to incorporate as many whole foods as possible a bad name.


vegasF1fan

Because it actually works.


spooboy

Don't overcomplicated it, it's just tribalism.


Triabolical_

It's the "I want to eat what I want to eat" phenomena, combined with some very savvy marketing about healthy grains. If I admit that a diet with more whole foods will be better, then I either need to be okay with the fact that I'm eating a less healthy diet. That will likely make me feel bad. But if there's a label and I can find somebody who says that eating that way is bad, I can justify my current set of beliefs and feel good about myself. There's a rule in /r/keto \- never tell people you are on keto, because they will tell you how bad it is. Tell them that you are avoiding sugars and refined starches and processed food and eating more whole food.


avocado__pit

Because google is LIES. Medical establishment, media, government are all LIES. They want you sick and dumb so they could control you (money=power). Whatever they tell you not to do-do it. Whatever they tell you to do-question it. you need cholesterol you need bacteria you need parasites cancer is not what you think it is vxx are bioweapon viruses do not cause diseases daily dose of vitamin C is 50-100 times higher should I go on? and by the way those are not my thoughts, if anything seems stupid to you and you want to argue, ask me for the sources and go argue with the authors.


BiggerWiggerDeluxe

I would love to see some explanation of >you need parasites and >cancer is not what you think it is


avocado__pit

Sure. Cancer=dead tissue. Parasites eat dead tissue (simple!) Inject a bacterial or parasite ferment into a tumor it will be gone in a few days. Most of the medical science is trash but even they have some studies. Here is one of them. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/07/990701070106.htm If you want to discover some truths and live a healthier longer life you have to read Aajonus Vonderplanitz. I believe he only has 2 books.


Freevoulous

Two reasons: 1. The "Paleo" part is thoroughly debunked, our Paleolithic ancestors did not have a diet like that. For one thing, they ate a lot of grain (grass seeds) and tubers, and drank milk if they could find it. 2. Some asshole "diet coaches" took Paleo diet to ridiculous extremes and had people live on a diet of almost pure animal protein, which fucked-up a lot of folks with heart disease, etc. In conclusion, a balanced, smartly planned and veggie-rich paleo diet is very healthy, but it is not really rooted in evolutionary science nor should it be so meat dominated.


Motherfkar

They did not. Lemme see even one source on this.


Comestible

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-paleo-diet-half-baked-how-hunter-gatherer-really-eat/ You can also read "Paleofantasy," by evolutionary biologist Marlene Zuk of the University of California, Riverside. Essentially, the paleolithic diet isn't authentic (that's not to say that it doesn't have its own nutritional benefits). In addition to hunting and fishing, humans all over the world ate unrecognizable vegetables and grains that were available closest to their dwellings. Basically, they didn't eat strawberries or coconut flour - y'know?


chazzermamagement

You win my friend! The whole “eAt HoW CaVeMaN EaT” paleo zealot mentality is so arbitrary. Let’s eat like people who lived to be 30 and would get taken out my an ear infection... Right. Phytic acid (which is apparently the homicidal lunatic of the paleo community) is actually an antioxidant that has anti-cancer properties. There is nothing, literally nothing, like a bowl of oatmeal and a sliced banana before a day of training for me. Neither of which are technically paleo. Because ya know, apparently if the cavemen knew what a banana was they wouldn’t have eaten it lolol


Motherfkar

They definitely would of eaten it. That's for sure. Paleo man would of eaten any of the fruits or grains available today. The problem is. We only started cultivating plants what, 10000 years ago? Before that and our ability to create grains from selective breeding we wouldn't of eaten bananas. And especially not grains. As.. they didn't exist which is the whole premise.. our guts do not handle grains etc well. And the sugars we consume through grains and new fruits is why we're having all the obesity and diabetes issues. Heart attacks? Admittedly processed meats are a killer. Another modern invention... But you know what else fucks your what and cholesterols? Seed oils and vegetable oils. Allways people like you attack in stupid ways. HePA dErpa Paleo enthusiasts so dumb!!!. Not an argument buddy.


chazzermamagement

You sir, are a tool. I had to read your comment 6 times btw and I still had to guess what you meant at certain times. Pretty sure my left eye started wonking off to the side while I was reading it. Literally, no joke I took an aspirin after I read this. It’s a good thing I take lions mane because I definitely lost some brain cells. Good job blaming bananas and oatmeal for obesity and diabetes though bubba. Big W


Motherfkar

Strawman and ad hominem. I wouldn't expect any less from a shill.


chazzermamagement

Do you always make assumptions like that about strangers buddy? As for strawman... what does that even mean lmao


Steeldrop

This is nitpicking but I’m pretty sure the milk part is not accurate. As I understand it, all humans were lactose intolerant until about 5,000 years ago when the gene for lactase (the enzyme to digest lactose) appeared, probably in Scandinavia.


Cadoan

East Africa as well. The Maasai people eat a staggering amount or raw milk (and cows blood). But your point stands mostly northern Europe for milk drinkers, more cheese and yogurt in southern Europe and middle East. (Mongolians drank horse milk too iirc)


therealsix

I wasn't aware that it got a lot of shit.


terpsnfins333

Because Paleo is only ideal in theory. But the reality is that what humans ate in the paleolithic era of meat and veggies doesn't produce the best health outcomes according to scientific research. The science isn't perfect because there are many variables to consider and conducting experiments on humans is hard but the research is showing that meat presents a few issues for cardiovascular health and can increase risks of cancer. This same evidence is presenting on domesticated animals such as dogs and cats. Originally many argued grain free diets were best but the science is showing that these grain free diets are leading to cardiovascular issues even in dogs and cats. With that being said, paleo is far healthier than your average diet. It eliminates some foods that are universally agreed as terrible.


corpusapostata

There is zero scientific evidence for any of the claims you have made. Any "evidence" pointing to cardiovascular or cancer risk from a meat based diet is based on epidemiology, not true scientific study. I encourage you to watch [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwyjo-NgQsE&ab_channel=KenDBerryMD) or [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rz-8H_i1wA&t=0s&ab_channel=LowCarbDownUnder) and then go look up the evidence (not correlation) yourself.


terpsnfins333

I understand the criticisms of epidemiological studies but I also encourage you to read this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4288279/ Epidemiological studies do have flaws but they are crucial in learning about health outcomes from diet choices.


Outdoorsygal04

Cats are obligate carnivores, they have no need for the crap fillers and cheap plant proteins (grains and other processed carbs) that are prevalent in commercial pet foods.


terpsnfins333

My veterinarian and the research days otherwise


Diceboy74

Please link to sources of said scientific research.


terpsnfins333

1. Nurses Health Study: https://www.nurseshealthstudy.org/about-nhs/key-contributions-scientific-knowledge -Controlled for age, weight, alcohol consumption, exercise, smoking, family history, caloric intake, and intake of whole plant foods, such as whole grains, fruits, and vegetables -Key Findings (pertaining to paleo): Higher intake of red meat increases risk of premenopausal breast cancer; red and processed meat intake increase risk; nuts and whole grains reduce risk of CHD; 2. Meat Intake and mortality: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2803089/ -Controlled for age, education, marital status, family history of cancer, race, bmi, smoking history, physical activity, energy intake, alcohol intake, vitamin supplement use, fruit consumption, vegetable consumption, and menopausal hormone therapy among women. -Key Findings: Red and processed meat intakes were associated with modest increases in total mortality, cancer mortality and CVD mortality


Motherfkar

Because all evidence doesn't actually suggest grains are fucking poison.


brett_hotchkiss

I agree but I think it gets misleading. People don’t eat meat, berries, and veg on paleo diet, they eat “paleo chocolate cake” and “paleo pancakes.” A true paleo diet would not include, olive oil, most commonly eaten fruits and veg, but it would include grubs, marrow, organ meats....I mean paleo humans used to chew for 4hrs a day, their feces was 90% undigested fibre. The idea of cutting out sugar, seed oils refined grains is great, but eating bacon, ribeyes and butter 10 times a week isn’t paleo either. *not all people of course*


Promotion_Technical

So many people jump to keto, but when I first tried paleo it was literally the only meal plan that was sustainable and worked absolute wonders once I figured out the restrictions. Plus I managed to gain several pounds of muscle the first 8 weeks I tried it on top of losing almost 15lbs (I was 👌 close) and ended up winning the fitness/nutrition challenge; really threw the bodpod guy for a loop, especially being a female. Paired with intermittent fasting I managed to get into ketosis, and I was enjoying myself way more than when I tried keto. Tricky to figure out at first since I'd always heard it was the hunter/gatherer mindset of eating but really wasn't, just more about anti-inflammatory foods, then it clicked. Cheat meal was still sushi at the beginning until my energy levels balanced out more. Counted macros the whole time but I was so exhausted from eating so cleanly and not getting that processed energy, and a little occasional rice was the only thing that could bring me back to life. We had actual concern of narcolepsy, but it went away around week 4 before I committed to a sleep study.


Davabutterfly

I had a fairly strict Paleo diet for two years and was in the BEST shape of my life. However I also did not have a car at that time so I quite literally walked a few miles per day. Ive been thinking of going back to it.


picklepuss13

For me, the additional dietary cholesterol and fat upped my blood cholesterol/fat as well after over a year on the diet. Blood pressure got elevated. Even while losing weight...Even while eating "clean." In addition, for me as a long distance runner (several races a year), I felt it was too low on carbs for my training, and almost impossible to eat enough things like bananas, sweet potatoes for the carb intake without getting digestive issues/bloating/full... In training, I need about 600g-700g of carb per day. I run 40-70 mpw. I now do kind of a quasi mediterannean, quasio paleo diet. I still avoid dairy, beans and gluten, but I don't eat all the fatty meats, or eggs... plus I add white rice as for extra carbs, usually in form of sushi or a healthy bowl. My levels are now in check and have more energy. Dairy and Gluten totally screw me up though. Note that I did paleo mostly for digestive reasons, not necessarily for weight loss, yrmv. Listen to your body and monitor your health.