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pyrofixx

I've not lived in the US, but have had a few offers to move over there, and have always rejected them. Aside from the cost of living in major cities (note, I don't live in London, I find it unreasonable also) in the US, for me the work vs holiday culture has always been the major issue. I will NOT give up my holiday leave under any circumstances, nevermind for what would effectively be only an equivalent salary (I'm at the upper end). For me work/life balance is very important, and I love travelling. I just couldn't cope with the tiny amounts of holiday allowance that are standard in the US. If there is an opportunity to negotiate, or the company follows a European standard, that would be better. And of course it's up to you if it's something that matters to you!


ASeaOfQuotes

Keep in mind the currency conversion. The US dollar is worth ~~more~~ *less* than the pound which means 50 pounds is $68 here. That can make our wages look more inflated than they actually are. I would also consider cost of living. Pick 3 cities you might be interested in in the US and look up cost of living and compare to your area. Food pricing, goods and services, insurance and car expenses, etc. Rents are climbing right now in so many cities. The housing market is a bit unstable. A lot of this is a result of the pandemic but it’s something to keep an eye on. And finally, healthcare is a huge expense here. You may be relatively healthy now, or not, but everything you get done here from preventative to emergencies is coming in the form of a bill. Child birth alone is somewhere in the $5K-$10K range depending on the insurance you have. It’s a constant fight to get properly billed if something is incorrect. There are advantages like less wait times the more $ you have to spend, so you have to weigh pros and cons. I’m a US citizen and this is just my perspective. I have no basis for comparison to the UK, I just want to make sure you consider all avenues since it’s such a huge decision.


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the dollar is worth less than the pound


ASeaOfQuotes

I got it backwards, thank you!


abirdofthesky

For healthcare specifically, it reeaaally depends on the company. There are healthcare plans where childbirth would most certainly not cost $5k, and have low deductibles. Still though, even with a “Cadillac” plan (which is really just what most plans should cover but I digress) you will have some costs that might be shocking for people used to socialized healthcare. And beyond costs, there’s a whole level of bureaucracy to get used to for health care.


dimsummer-

I’ve lived 3+ years in both the U.K. (London and Scotland) and US (major East Coast city). I don’t work in STEM but my wage was a lot higher in the US and would be even higher now had I stayed. I much prefer the U.K., here’s why: - Healthcare obvs. My work included healthcare as a benefit but it’s a pain to always be checking if a doctor/hospital is in network or not. And sometimes it’s totally out of your control, I went to a GP who was firmly in network but one time they sent my blood test to a lab that was out of network so I had to pay $$$. Also, even if you have a “good” insurance plan, you could have a deductible that can go into the thousands of dollars. - Taxes, you will have to pay state and federal tax. You also have to file them (ie you have to guess how much you’ll owe Uncle Sam every month and come tax time they will tell you if you over or under paid - they don’t automatically deduct like HMRC) - public transit is sooo much better in the U.K. There are a few major cities with decent public transport (NYC, DC, Boston, Chicago - maybe others?) but in most areas you will need a car. To get around the whole country you’d either need to drive or fly, you can’t rely on the trains like in the U.K. - holidays as someone else said - really makes a difference to your quality of life! - I’m quite far left / progressive politically. Even living in the more liberal areas of the US I feel a lot more at home here in that regard - The weather mostly sucks. I know Brits like to complain about the weather but seriously, on the East coast and Midwest you only get two seasons - freezing cold or horribly muggy and hot. The exception is of course California, but I personally dislike hot weather so this is a no for me That’s all off the top of my head but I’ll add more if I think of them. Feel free to ask any specific questions in the meantime 🙂


cyberrainbows

Ask how many days holiday you’ll get. Usually you start with 10. I went to uni in Canada and left as soon as I could. Never wanted to work in a place where you work 50/52 weeks of the year!!!


Gourmay

Lived in both. Much prefer the US although the healthcare system here is atrocious. Lack of holidays isn’t great either, and the lack of public transport (I’ve managed without a car in a major city but it’s nothing like the UK/EU). That being said it really depends on your personal and professional goals, where you are etc.


Ms_moonlight

I've lived in both (born in US, live in UK now). As someone else said, I'm better off here because I don't have much cash. The best suggestion I have for you to is to think about where you'd want to live. I know a lot of Brits are very strongly weather driven, but you may have to think about the politics of the area you want to move to, along with whether you don't mind driving and what kind of home you'd like to live in.


Straight-Row-1544

Try for a year or so? See how you like it I think life is more fun when you get out of your comfort zone


prettyprincess91

I lived in SF for 15 years and now I live in London. I worked as a software developer, software architect, product manager, and dev manager. I took a 40% pay cut when I moved to the UK. Don’t listen to people going on about holidays - I had 5 weeks of vacation and many tech places offer unlimited vacation. I also worked from Europe or other parts of the US regularly when I wanted to travel. Rent is expensive in SF - much more than London. I own my own place in a desirable area which I rent out now as a stream of income (I rent my place for double what I pay in rent here). Make sure the rent differential is worth the move with your new pay. Also if you work in the US in tech - you will work 80 hour weeks regularly. It is not SF - it is the US: Americans work as a hobby. I say that as someone born and raised there who spent half her childhood in London (and live here now): the lifestyle is just different because America is different culturally than the UK. I don’t mind it but I do need to explain it occasionally to my European colleagues who don’t get it. Do it for a new experience but I wouldn’t advise to do it only for the money, you’ll make yourself miserable.


MunchausenbyPrada

I've only lived in the UK but I follow a lot of US politics. If you are working class it is better to live in the UK. If you are a middle class professional (which you are) it seems like there is greater opportunity in the US to get those high upper middle class salaries. Whereas in the UK middle class professionals salaries are kept very low. However my friend who works in STEM in the us said the high salaries working for corporations comes with a lot of pressure and hard work (high work load, targets etc). If it were me I would give US a go and see if I enjoyed it.


delightfully_sedate

I wish I could find/recall a comparison I saw recently about living and working in the US vs Europe. If I had to paraphrase… the US is great if your aspirations are to climb the ladder, you’re cutthroat, work is life, etc. Of course if you have other priorities or values, you can also make them work but the ones I listed will serve you incredibly well in the US.