By - HoogerMan
Has to be the first time I've seen someone dragged inside of a bar
Gonna get myself a nice board
This has to be reported to the private security authority(PSA),once the problem is off premises security are not allowed put their hands on another person except in extreme circumstances (self-defence and reasonable force only),staff should know better,close the pub doors and report was the action that should have been followed.
Place is known notoriously as the "Tourist Trap" where they overcharge for drinks to unsuspecting tourists visiting. They make too much money to care about morals unfortunately.
Even if the kids 14/16, were being little shits, that's absolutely no excuse for adults who are licenced, and expected to be accountable for their actions while on duty to protect a premises, to walk away from the premises to assault them. That's not okay.
Bet they'd be nowhere to be seen if it was a gang of scrotes on scooters harassing the patrons of the pub, absolutely shameful responses in the comments here, swear you never did anything stupid as a teenager.
A bouncers job is to make sure trouble is nowhere near the pub, not inside of it. Temple Bar was and always will be an absolute kip.
I've seen bouncers literally hide from people robbing and starting on people in smoking areas. Majority of them are absolutely useless cowards
Maybe they were in on it.
What have you got against temple bar?
Edit: Not sure why I’m being downvoted. The area has loads of cultural centres, galleries, bakeries and coffee shops.
It can be a great place to spend Nan afternoon.
You can’t let the actions of one pub turn you off a whole area even if they do share the same name.
I work in tourism. Temple Bar is a Paddywhackery-laden tourist trap, management are usually cunts as well. Old Storehouse and Merchant's Arch equally pathetic establishments whose management are money grubbing pricks that wouldn't know the craic if it slapped them in the face. Soulless money pits masquerading as pubs.
I’d agree with you about that, but I’m talking about the area of Temple Bar. I think you’re specifically talking about THE Temple Bar pub.
No, I'm talking about the area, I just mentioned two other establishments in the area that I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire. At least *The* Temple Bar has an iconic look to it that you could say drives tourists to the area but it's still extortionate. I suppose having the area the way it is is marginally better than having the big bus depot there that was planned back in the 80s.
A lot of tourists incorrectly believe the area is named after the pub, and not the other way round. A stroke of marketing genius in fairness.
There’s quite a few nice coffee shops and restaurants down the far end of temple bar. I wouldn’t bash the whole area because of a few overpriced pubs.
Agreed, it's the overpriced pubs that give the area a bad rep. I know some of the other owners who are genuinely trying to float a decent business and are good people. Still, I think a lot of the frustration stems from the fact that it could be much better than what it is.
Yea it definitely could be much nicer.
the only good thing temple bar has going for it is elephant & castle
If you honestly think that you should spend a bit more time exploring the area. Particularly the western end of it.
You forget what sub you're on. This sub fucking hates youths and teenagers, you'd swear the average user was 65
Last time I saw cctv of bouncers dragging someone back inside the pub it ended in a murder conviction.
When was this?
The video is particularly sinister when you know the outcome. You know that when that door closes behind him, he'll never see the light of day again. It's called a secondary crime scene - do everything you can to avoid leaving an area under duress, it's only going to get worse for you.
You can bet there's tacit support from the management if the bouncers feel they can finish the job indoors. I expect the Temple Bar pub to go the way of Tramco, which shut under similar circumstances.[https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/bouncer-threw-man-face-first-onto-footpath-26548446.html](https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/bouncer-threw-man-face-first-onto-footpath-26548446.html) \- no insurer would touch them.
Holy shit, that’s grim :/
Former security guard. My instructor on the training course told us about how he and other lads used to drag teenagers into camera blind spots to kick the shit out of them. There’s a lot of sound bouncers for sure, lads who will de-escalate situations and stop fights, but there’s LOTS of wannabe hard men who are just waiting to run in and start swinging punches
What the bouncers did is straight up illegal, it’s as simple as that. Not defending the skateboarders, not saying they didn’t break the law, but the bouncers are supposed to be professionals here
Go onto their google reviews and tripadvisor and hammer them.
Hit them where it hurts, in their pocket.
They disabled their review pages not too long after it
I’m 100 percent sure that we don’t have the full story here
Those at the protests are definitely brigading these threads & there is a real push to paint these kids as angels before the full facts are known. And now they're using their "protests" to decry the lack of skating facilities available to them. The whole situation stinks and I agree, we do not know the full facts yet.
Leave it to the Gardai & the DPP.
There is no possible way for justifying these guys actions, even if the kids were wrong, you go and beat them? Savage, cowards. You must be the same kind, justifying violence, and violence against children
Fuck off, wanting to know what happened means I justify violence against children? Go fall off your fucking skateboard into a wood chipper.
Even if the skater kid swung a dig, kicking anyone when they are already subdued on the ground is appalling behaviour. Dragging him into the bar so they could beat him more is the behaviour of scumbags.
The bouncers saw an easy target and jumped at it.
I don’t know what on Earth you are trying to defend here. The response was completely excessive.
As far as the protests go they are literally just asking for an apology.
Finally that pub is a shit hole tourist trap, fuck them and their bouncers.
>The response was completely excessive
>You must be the same kind, justifying violence, and violence against children
If there was a scuffle and one of the skateboarders cracked a bouncer on the head with his board while he was down then the reaction is 100% justified in my eyes. That could be lethal and I’m sick of little scumbags hiding behind the age card while they push people under trains and chase pregnant women down the streets. Did that actually happen - probably not. The point is that we don’t know what happened so nothing can be justified just yet either way.
you fuck off, trash
yeah, you are probably right and much smarter, the number of downvotes confirms it
LOL downvotes? You care about downvotes and mob mentality? Fuck off child.
yes, you presume I am a child and tell me to fuck off, I think I know what I needed to know already. You are garbage. Just common sense.
Someone who tells a child to fuck off must be the same kind as someone who beats them up inside a pub for whatever reason
I don't know what facts you are looking for but I object to anyone being dragged behind closed doors. A teenager was killed in Cork on 2007 with no prosecution brought due to lack of evidence (closed doors, silence amongst witnesses). These are only kids 14/16 and I don't see why you need to hear a balanced view from a bunch of adults who should know better in how to deal with the situation.
Also, I'm not a skater, I'm just someone who has an ounce of compassion, empathy and justice. Think you are lacking all three.
>Also, I'm not a skater, I'm just someone who has an ounce of compassion, empathy and justice. Think you are lacking all three.
Go fuck the horse you rode in on.
There could be any number of reasons why he was restrained inside. To wait for the Gardai etc.
I'm pretty sure dragging anyone, let alone a child into the premises is not legal.
I didn’t see how this started as the video I saw starts with the altercation already in progress but fuck that wait for the Gardai thing. The bouncers job is to protect the premises not arrest and detain people. They should be getting people away from or off the premises if they’re causing trouble and making a report to the Garda after with evidence not pretending to be Batman.
So, how do the boots you're licking taste?
What an edgy comment from a neckbeard. Whats wrong with knowing the full facts before we light our pitchforks?
American here-I've no horse in this orgy, but they weren't 'detained' as much as 'beaten into an almost comatose state.'
Also, isn't this the kind of thing the IRA used to handle when the British troops wouldn't? I remember learning that if you want knee surgery get it in Northern Ireland because the surgeons became experts from IRA hobbling drug dealers.
Jesus Christ STFU about the IRA. Fucking yanks.
>'beaten into an almost comatose state.'
Wheres your evidence?
Don't post on this subreddit
What the fuck is wrong with you? How you manage to bring IRA into it? Cause they're Irish? That all?
You’re a daemon
You don't need to know any facts. There is absolutely no reason in the world to drag somebody inside your bar. None. Ever. That's all you need to know to see that what happened there is an absolute shitshow.
I don't need to know any facts?! Excuse me but go fuck yourself.
They could have been restraining him for the Gardai to show up FFS.
Don't need to know any facts, who the fuck do you think you are? Do you know the 2 teenagers involved? Are you a skateboarder yourself?
Are you a staff member of the notoriously shite Temple Bar Pub? Because you're acting like one.
No, I'm sick of the mob mentality regarding this. It breaks the sub rules.
I don't believe it does. People are rightfully disgusted at seeing middle aged men picking on young teenagers to vent their frustrations.
I don't care if a bunch of them are skateboarders, nobody would be talking about 'brigading' if it were a few kids from a GAA club. Dorks like you would be bending over backwards defending them then, and that is a fact.
Jesus. Their chant was "come out and say sorry". So unthreatening that people are pretending to be intimidated by a few 13 year olds banging their skateboards on the ground.
Its fucking pathetic.
>People are rightfully disgusted at seeing middle aged men picking on young teenagers to vent their frustrations.
You are making so many assumptions before the facts are known.
>' if it were a few kids from a GAA club. Dorks like you would be bending over backwards defending them then, and that is a fact.
No I fucking wouldn't, you cunt. You have a real victim mentality. Seek help.
There is absolutely zero justification for the staffs behaviour, and it's far from the first time this kind of shit has happened in Temple Bar.
You're just simply wrong and you should probably reconsider who should "seek help". I'm not the one riding so hard to defend a bunch of frustrated men assaulting teenagers. It's weird, son.
You don't know the full facts so STFU and wait for them to come out. Fuck off with your victim mentality.
Are you the bar owner?
Nope, just sick of the assimptions been made
Go back to your seven euro pint
Heard they asked the bouncer for a fag or something
Edit: I’m not sure why this was down voted ? Because I said they asked the bouncer for a fag??
The video does not reflect the original post. No one was assaulted here for "having a skateboard.". If they were I'd be among the first to offer all available legal service to end this pub. Watched the video...nope....
But they did swing the skate boards at the bouncer too. But I don't know who started it. Saying that bouncers employed by a business should act to a higher standard when on their shift.
What is going on in these posts. First off, no one knows ages of anyone here, secondly video only shows piece were bouncers actually act, what happened before that?? and last, if anyone from inside the bar or employed there was assaulted first, (part of video not scene, maybe), they have a right to detain the accused until gardai arrive ,
Everyone's up on their high horse over nothing that involves them, me included, and I don't care, but whoever assaulted who first should be accountable and thats up to the authorities that will not only see this video but the other 20 to 30 covering this area. I'LL leave it there,
So how do you explain a member of staff running out to kick your man while he was already subdued on the ground
I don't need to explain. I'm no judge
You just said they have a right to detain the kid. So they had a right to boot him on the ground too did they?
I said they had right to detain for garda if they had been assaulted, and I also said they would analyse cameras in the area to get full info. Like I said. I don't care
So you’re okay to make that judgement but not criticise an adult for kicking a child on the ground
I said I don't care. Thanks for being so worried about what I think though. I appreciate your concern at the moment and will log it in my filing system for further reference.
they asked the bouncer for a smoke, he slagged them and the manager threw an ashtray at the kid, and dragging him inside the pub is false imprisonment and brings a life sentence.
Like I said, I don't care, and I'd love to know where you heard that. No one would throw anything at someone for asking for a cigarette, unless its a cigarette
Aaaaahahahhaha jesus what planet do you live on?
You could walk out there and kill someone in cold blood and you wouldn't get a life sentence in this country.
To me the skateboarders look like the agressors. They seem to be smacking the guy on the door with the skateboard. It looks like they're restraining them to protect themselves. Also there are cameras inside the pub too so its up to the garda to review those.
Watch it again, nearly everyone involved is acting shitty, which is usually the case with these things, but none more so than the two bald bar staff.
Kid in yellow- jumping around acting the hard man, other than that, doesn't actually do anything illegal.
Kid in white- swings his board at barstaff, and misses, but AFTER kid in yellow is already assaulted. Doesn't do anything else.
Kid in black- hits one of barstaff in the back with his board, but the barman who was hit was at the time involved in pinning kid in yellow to the ground while bald barman kicks him on the ground. Could potentially be assault, or asaualt with an improvised weapon? Wouldn't count as self defence unless he is related to kid in the yellow.
Bouncer- doesn't do much, stands in the way of the kids, doesn't seem to be threatening, doing his job.
Bald barman in light shirt - escalates the whole situation by throwing an ashtray, being the first to commit an assault. Also unlawfully tackles kid in yellow and pins him to the floor along with other barstaff. Both these acts are illegal and are an assault on a minor. Also the act of restraining the kid counts as false imprisonment and is against the law, as the kid hadn't done anything illegal.
Bald barman in navy- kicks kid while he is pinned to the floor, grabs him by the head and drags him into the pub. Again, two incidents of assaulting a minor, and unlawfully restraining/false imprisonment.
Things to keep in mind, unless the kids had broken the law, neither the bouncers not barstaff can legally restrain them or withhold them. Only Garda can do that and even they need a reason to believe a crime has taken place.
The kid in yellow being a mouthy bollocks is bad, could call him the aggressor, but it was the barstaff who carried out the first assault.
In fact the kid in yellow never assualted anyone, never did anything he can be arrested for, yet was taking to the ground by adult men, pinned down, kicked on the ground, dragged away, and held against his will.
The other two kids only swung at or hit any of the barstaff AFTER the barstaff had commited multiple assaults.
Even if these weren't kids and were in their twenties, the actions of the barstaff would still have been illegal. They still commited an assault and an unlawfully restrained the kids. The fact that they are minors means it's assault on a minor and that's what they will probably get done for. And rightly so. The barstaff are fat bald knackers. Bet they wouldn't have the stones to try that with the kids from Sherrif Street cus they know there'd be war.
Only thing that would sway my opinion is if the allegations that kid in yellow spat at the bar staff turns out to be true, in which case the barstaff may have had a right to retaliate, given the current circumstances. Having said that, the kick on the ground while the kid is unlawfully restrained is unforgivable in any circumstance.
You won’t see a more detailed write up of the video anywhere on the internet
Haha yeah I was going a bit overboard. Just felt like dissecting the whole thing because given the evidence we have it's baffling to me how anyone could be taking the side of The Temple Bar.
I don't understand why anyone is strongly taken to the side of the teenagers saying sure that's what teenagers do when they also constantly complain about "scrotes" who are untouchable.
I get what you mean, serious double standards, but disregarding other people's prejudices and based solely off the video footage we do have, do you think the bouncers/barstaff acted appropriately?
Nope, Its honestly insane how they handled the situation. Fair enough if they had an altercation with the lads but then to continue to drag one into the pub is disgusting behaviour.
So he should have just let him off, wander Temple bar and the gaurds to do fuck all about it? Maybe they were tired of no action taken against people acting the absolute bollox in TB
Well I don't think getting a battering is letting them off, I'm saying dragging him into the pub wasn't the best idea
Will be a shame so, couple of peoples livelihoods ruined because someone teenager was acting the bollox and will likely walk away scot free.
I think that the video has been deliberately cut short to hide what started the entire event.
Very well could have
Exactly, I doubt they got slaps and dragged into the pub for nothing. Nobody knows exactly what happened but I can't imagine all this is because they asked for a smoke. Too many cunts in Temple bar and DCC in general thinking they are untouchable. More cunts need to be slapped about in my opinion.
Have The Temple Bar made any comment on the situation yet? Anything more than blind speculation on the internet ?
They asked for a smoke and he then made fun of them, I believe one of them then started to get "cheeky" with the bouncer till the altercation began.
Temple bar are currently trying their best to delete every comment regarding the issue, I believe they know their employees have done wrong by dragging the kid away.
/u/hot_industry_7058 may be detailed but he’s also talking through his arse.
“Wouldn’t count as self defence unless he was related to the kid in yellow.
There’s absolutely no requirement for this in Irish law.
>There’s absolutely no requirement for this in Irish law.
What do you mean no requirement? AFAIK self defence includes defending your immediate family if someone attacks either your parents, children, or siblings. In such a situation you can use reasonable force to defend them.
I am not a solicitor, so my knowledge of the law isn't that broad, but I'm pretty sure about this one.
18.—(1) The use of force by a person for any of the following purposes, if only such as is reasonable in the circumstances as he or she believes them to be, does not constitute an offence—
(a) to protect himself or herself or a member of the family of that person or another from injury, assault or detention caused by a criminal act;
You’re dead right, it can include defending your family.
It can also include defending anyone else from being attacked. You’ve actually quoted it in the last paragraph of your comment “or another”
So to answer your question, what do I mean there’s no requirement? Yes you can defend family members, you can also use self defence to protect anyone else.
Going back now, was the statement that it wouldn’t be self defence unless he was related to the other skateboarder correct? No it wasn’t.
It’s important that people are aware of these things and we don’t allow people to spread false information on Reddit. Next thing we know people will be afraid to step in when someone is being attacked because they read on Reddit that they’d be breaking the law.
Ok, I thought you were saying the opposite, and that you can't defend someone else.
I always thought there was a difference if it was a family member, as in it still counts as *self* defense and gives you the same the same rights to defend your family as if you were actually being attacked yourself, whereas using force to defend someone who isn't part of your immediate family might be legal in certain situations but not considered *self defense*.
That was my understanding of it anyway, but as I said in another comment I'm not a solicitor or anything I just know what I know so I'm open to being corrected.
Ah ok gotcha. Maybe if you went over the top and bashed their brains in defending a stranger then the courts wouldn’t look as favourably as if you were defending your child.
Brilliant write up thank you
So what started the fight exactly? Where is the full CCTV recording, from the first angle?
I am not against skateboarders or supporting the bouncers and pub, however so far we only see one side of the story, where the precursor actions leading to this is not shared or informed.
Dublin and other cities of Ireland has issues with people under 22, which everyone knows and agrees. Now, we need to see the full picture with video recording prior to the fight and dragging.
That's truly shocking,grown men beating up kids?WTF ? Hopefully the Garda prosecute these scumbags !!
Yeah but kids are bastards though.
Aw what? You heard the man lads, all kids are bastards. We lost, how would you like your medal brave soldier?
Every single person in this needs to be charged with assault. Who drags a kid by their hair off the street and into a bar. Scum that’s who
Looks like the skateboarders were the problem here.
They were a problem, a problem that should be easy enough to deal with, but how the bar staff chose to deal with the problem was a criminal offence.
The skateboarders were in fault for being dragged into the back of a pub for a hiding? Doesn’t matter who started it, a bouncers job is to remain calm and get trouble AWAY from the pub. Not into the fucking place.
There's nothing in the article that says this guy in the yellow received a hiding. You are completely right, the bouncers do have a responsibility but it's certainly the skaters who seemed to have caused this and also look to be using the board as a weapon, which could cause serious damage. If someone came at me with a board I'd go ape on them, any professional responsibility would be out the window. Carrying around a skateboard is just as dangerous as someone carrying around a bat or a hurl.
The pub should apologise for sure, but the parents of these guys should be aware that their kids are doing this kind of shit in the middle of town.
Why do you think they gave the kid a hiding? That sounds made up, but I’d be happy to be proved wrong.
There seems to be a strange and organized approach to try to bring attention to this. But this is the definition of a non story.
Arsehole teenager gets a (possibly) unfair kicking from a bouncer is a tale as old as time.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, nine is to wait until further development and investigation of the case
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Anyone know why this was deleted?