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Slip_Inner

Doesn't that argument apply to any radical change? Slavery to Feudalism and feudalism to Capitalism? Should we have just kept the serfs and lords because a republican Revolution might cause more harm than good? The large scale systemic Revolutions we've had have always led to better paths, and even the Socialist Revolutions we've seen in the past led to increases in quality of life at scales and paces never seen before or since in history.


Todorlija

Yes i completely agree, the fact of the matter is that more people have died in imperialist conflicts throughout history and I'm sure no one wants to die for those either. But unfortunately, many people don't realise that a revolutionary movement would end all that.


Advanced-Fan1272

If by revolution you mean a political revolution, a final stage of overthrowing the last remnants of old society and establishing order and laws of a new one then the revolution always brings chaos at first. Then it depends whether this revolution was progressive (leading to social progress) or not. If it is progressive then the long-term consequences of this revolution will be beneficial for all members of society. If it is regressive (brings social regress) then the long-term consequences of the revolution will be devastating. \>No matter how much we try to oppose Western Imperialism, we wouldn't ultimately change anything at all, because they are too powerful He is right to an extent. Western imperialism is indeed powerful now that the leader of this imperialism became world hegemon power (the USA) which has almost no rivals. \>He argued that no one wants to die for someone else's ideas and if people die, they wouldn't have the chance to see the change happen He is also right to an extent here. No one wants to die for some system of thought completely foreign to his own. Only when the masses will starve again, only when capitalism will fail the world again, when the crisis becomes very hard and the wealthy elites turn a deaf ear to the public outcry - then the masses will see the need to change. Then even sceptics like your friend will say something like - "I hate to get involved in it - but I see no other way!" Revolution is not a completely planned phenomenon detemined by the wil of each individual. No, revolution is when masses will step out and many people will start to think and act alike out of necessity, not simple preference, simple like or dislike. All revolutionaries now can do is work for that future. For example, if a person somehow knows that in the future people will need a big house there and there, then he goes and buys the building materials and begins building the house now, not waiting for the hour of need to come. So the revolutionary must explain communism to people, reveal the truth, share the common troubles, help those in need or oppressed by the iron heel of capitalism, all the while thinking about the future. Communist is in a sense like the character of DiCaprio in the movie the Aviator, when he starts repeating the phrase 'way of the future'. The only difference is that for a true communist all his life now is the way TO the future.


Todorlija

A well explained and detailed reply, which i was hoping for. It really helped shed some light, thank you 👏🏻


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Todorlija

Thank you.


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Todorlija

If you got any sources, I'd be happy to read them as well.