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Daily Discussion Post - April 01 | Questions, images, videos, comments, unconfirmed reports, theories, suggestions

Daily Discussion Post - April 01 | Questions, images, videos, comments, unconfirmed reports, theories, suggestions

fightingcovid

Hi, just sharing a personal project: [https://fightingcovidwithdata.org/](https://fightingcovidwithdata.org/) Number of confirmed cases will reach 2 million in the next few days. #StayAtHome #BeSafe


Jkeets777

Yea but hospitals aren’t even full yet and we have a 2% death rate. So the 2-4M figure is assuming 80%. Do the quick math. eventually get infected and 2% die. 2% rate would go up if hospitals were full though


royboom

This sub literally became US centred as fuck. Its so annoying


MacacoMonkey

Can someone please post more information on what is going in in Ecuador? Apparently people are dying on the streets (literally) and cadavers are being burned also on the streets as the funerary system has collapsed. (!)


KAlicoelectronico

Can confirm, my whole family is there and the system has been collapsed for weeks. Only about 1250 ICU beds for a country of 17 million people...and it’s just starting. Low numbers of reported cases are due to an extreme lack of testing. My grandfather just passed Away due to corona there and apparently we were able to get The hospital to take care of his remains.


MacacoMonkey

Wow, how come we are not hearing from this? (I am in Germany btw)? Edit: Sorry about your grandfather... :(


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juicyfruits_

When are yall going to learn that insults do not add credibility to your argument lol


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juicyfruits_

I’m not saying people cannot be mad. I’m just saying insulting someone doesn’t enhance your argument and does abso fucking lutely nothing


ZQB525

Drastic Action needs to be taken if this is to stop spreading. The virus can last on surfaces for a few days and in the air for a few hours, I tried looking up organic surfaces but couldn’t find a timeline for those. There should be a government lock down for a few weeks where is it mandatory you stay home like stop being so nice, with this “please stay home” rather it should be “stay home or else”. During this period the military needs to roam the streets, and someone is appointed to each household to get them want they need. Someone to pick up their medicine, someone to give them cleaning products and groceries,etc... That way if a worker/solider contracts the virus they can know exactly where then shutdown that place and clean it. That way the spread of the virus is more controlled. Of course, only essential workers, there’s more than just hospital workers, will leave their homes, but same goes for them if they get the virus where they go should be tracked and those places will be cleaned. If this would happen for let’s say a month where we let the virus die wherever it is! I think the spread would be slowed down dramatically and we can get back to normal life sooner. Cause right now the government needs to be honest, this isn’t going to be over until there’s a vaccine,which is gonna take a year. So we can either accept this year timeline or do something drastic for a month and maybe this year turns into a few months. TLDR : Drastic action of a month long mandatory lock down should happen.


[deleted]

Heres the thing, we need to develop a herd immunity. If everything completely shuts down, there is no transmission. In two months we come out from hiding, someone has it still/ brings it in from somewhere and guess what? We do the whole thing over again and it still overwhelms our hospitals. OR we trickle the infections and slowly deal with it the best we can. It seems counter-intuitive, but if you think about it, aside from a vaccine or cure its the best course of action at this time.


ZQB525

From a different standpoint, Id agree with this, but it’ll cost lives. From the standpoint, of the weak of a species should die off I’d agree with this. If we want to save lives, I believe a national wide lockdown,tracking and screening to let the virus die out is the best course of action.


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Lives are going to be lost no matter what course of action we take. If we did nothing the virus would run through everyone overrunning hospitals and kill a lot of people. If we completely lockdown, all you will do is push the overrunning of the hospitals down the road a few months. The only option is to try to slow the transmission so we can manage it the best we can. Also, why would you be so quick to give your rights away? Be careful when thinking in this manner, you might not get them back. Use all of the possible variables and outcomes when thinking of solutions to an issue.


ZQB525

I think your misunderstanding the lifespan of the virus. If no one is there to catch it then it will die, it won’t just be there two months later. Letting the virus die off does slow the transmission. It lasts a few days on objects and a few hours in the air, if no one is there to catch it then it dies without being infecting people And if someone gets it the virus must have been in their home, which then can be cleaned. We can’t see the virus and we don’t know where it spreads this way we can track it and slowly eliminate it. So if the whole country is locked down for a month the virus will die without infecting anymore people and we can clean for it.


[deleted]

Remember to use all the variables in your thinking. If this was a bubble, then maybe your course of action would work. But it's not, there are hundreds of other countries and millions of people infected in the world. As soon as one carrier interacts with an American (who has been part of a hypothetical perfect lockdown for two months, which would never be possible) the cycle starts again. A full 1984 dystopian lockdown is not the answer for many reasons, number 1 being that it just wouldn't work.


ZQB525

I see what your saying unless other countries do it too it wouldn’t work


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That's a bingo


ZQB525

More conversations should be like this thanks for pointing that out.


[deleted]

I agree, it's hard to have good discussions of ideas online, and it often doesn't happen at all.


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nah


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civilgolf12

This is a serious question I have. When we look at countries like Australia and the number of cases they have does it give us any optimism that cases will slow down a bit in the heat of summer (late June thru August)? Hopefully we might see a bit of seasonality and give us time to prepare for the significant second wave coming in late fall?


georgiedawn

It's not clear if there will be seasonality. The flu has some seasonality, partly due to the virus but also partly because people are cooped indoors in the winter, causing easier virus transmission. However we're seeing coronavirus spread globally, in hot and cold countries. Moreover, MERS (another coronavirus) spread easily in the Middle East. We can hope but if we observe any seasonality this summer, it will largely be due to the social distancing/government policies in place.


TheFinalVython

I'm glad to see that we are beginning to see more countries recovering from the corona virus crisis. However it's unfortunate that we, the people of the United States, will be hit very hard by this pandemic (as we all know). The reason: the lack of attention from the U.S public and U.S officials towards this virus, our underestimation of the severity of this virus, and the lack of initiative from officials everywhere. My point: (This inst a way to sugarcoat this) We're fucked as a nation. The was a collective effort of those who did not listen to the warnings, to those who didn't believe the warnings, and to those who didn't think much of the virus. We reap the consequences now.


[deleted]

Trump said it was a hoax. He has blood on his hands rom his comments.


[deleted]

He never said the virus was a hoax, he said Democrats' criticism of him about the coronavirus response was their new hoax. If he thought it was a hoax, why would he have closed travel from China (while media and dems called him racist for it) and started a coronavirus taskforce in January?


codesfeedcars

Well that's one sensible person who sees the big picture. I am really tired telling Trump supporters that Trump fucked up. High five to you man. I really hope people learn to actually think and not just believe whatever the media and the government says.


StartledDad

I’m in MD where we are shelter in place. Does that mean I can’t just go for a drive?


thelaminatedboss

You can no one is gonna stop you.


FriendOfDrBob

Go to your Governors website and read the official order. They likely have a press release or a FAQ on it as well, so you don’t have to read some legal document that uses a lot of words like “whereas” and “therefore”. But in fairness, executive orders themselves are pretty easy to read in comparison to how laws are usually written.


WonderfulMan1986

Does anyone know how long a n95 mask lasts? Say, I go to the grogery store, which is usually packed. I'll only be in there about 10-15min, can I still use the mask at a later time?


georgiedawn

Technically they should be disposable (one-time use) because you're using it to protect against a biological agent. If you have live virus on the outside of your mask and you re-use it, you risk exposing yourself. Moreover, the normal N95s life-span is for a few hours - I used to use it when doing woodwork or cleaning dusty apartments. It's a filter and eventually, the holes get clogged with stuff.


WonderfulMan1986

Man that sucks


le_baiser

Healthcare workers are getting on mask to rewear so should be fine


Snorkle_Carver

"No" That being said...wear a handkerchief or something over it. The idea being... you preserve its usefulness by keeping it from becoming super saturated and semi clean .... I've used mine similar to what your thinking.... but they're really only meant for single use.


WonderfulMan1986

Wow I can see why there's a supply shortage then


OtherRegister3

Is anyplace sharing specifically how people caught the virus? Are these people working? Is it people who ignored the advice to stay home? Is it people that have been home but made a 1 hour trip out for groceries? If there is a common way people are catching it we should know.


dmting

Yes yes yes please everyone stop wearing gloves in public. Ur touching things and taking germs everywhere, especially ur car and ur steering wheel. Limit ur contact and wash ur hands for 20 secs or use sanitizer after doing ur shopping. The gloves need to stop and remember to stay 6 feet away from anyone within close contact- RN


FriendOfDrBob

There are so many things we need to know before we could even attempt to gather this. When you don’t know who has it or had it, it’s impossible to figure this out. I really think the only way we are getting any data right now is by the number of people admitted to hospitals. But when we get that data, it’s too late to stop spread.


Skelly_YT452

Guys check out this website this could be a game changer. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the-sun.com/news/624370/tobacco-giant-coronavirus-vaccine/amp/


[deleted]

They haven't even started human clinical trials, so it's unclear if it actually works


Skelly_YT452

Ya but it’s something to look out for


stromzy

The Sun - probs wouldn’t read too much into it


Skelly_YT452

This is being reported on many other sites not just the sun


stromzy

Until it gets posted by something official I wouldn’t trust 100%


Skelly_YT452

What about this site? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/01/business/coronavirus-vaccine-british-american-tobacco/index.html


2a0c40

CNN is only marginally better than the Sun.


Skelly_YT452

Okay but there are many other reports saying similar things if you want me to get them


2a0c40

I’m not saying there’s anything wrong or bad about BATs approach to developing a vaccine, and they’re to be commended for taking the risk of entering production before testing is complete because that would get it deployed far more quickly. But junk media outlets like the Sun or CNN or not great sources...


Skelly_YT452

So what do you consider a good news source then?


2a0c40

None of them? It's more a hierarchy of bad. The Mail and The Sun are somewhere around the bottom. CNN, Fox News and the like are a bit less bad but still terrible. The Guardian and New York Times are generally decent. The BBC makes a serious effort to be good, but it can be a bit thin. Mainstream media in general only exists to sell ads. A big part of my contempt for it comes from seeing what it does with anything I have any expertise in - and it invariably fucks it up horribly. I just assume it does the same with everything else. They don't care as long as it sells ads. So it's useful for real time situations and as a basis for further inquiry. But that's about it. Industry and academic journals are better, but obviously once you're in the realm of peer reviewed papers outwith your own area of expertise it's hard to get beyond the abstract. Some of the popular science sites are good. For politics it's usually a partisan shitshow, but again things like The Economist make an attempt to be rational about it.


stromzy

Honestly just believe what you want I’m just saying until it’s official I am doubtful


Skelly_YT452

I’m just bringing these up to try and bring hope to people.


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THE TOBACCO COMPANIES WILL SAVE US ALL! HALLELUJIAH!


FriendOfDrBob

What is the reason experts are giving for the relatively small cases in South America and Africa? Are they holding out hope that it is the warm weather keeping the numbers down or do they believe it is false reporting?


MacacoMonkey

Lack of testing I would say. But take a look #EcuadorEnEmergencia so you can have an idea of what is going on....


Rocklobster92

I'm assuming it's because not too many people have been traveling there from infected countries.


[deleted]

Look at the tests administered stats for those countries and you'll have your answer.


FriendOfDrBob

Honestly, the same could be said about the state I live in in the United States. Testing really doesn’t matter since we have no grasp of them in more industrial nations. We would know if mass deaths were happening.


juicyfruits_

People from poorer countries can not afford to be obese like first world countries can Edit: y’all on this sub do not like facts 😂


[deleted]

If we want to talk about facts, then we should point out the fact that being obese doesn't necessarily make you any more likely to get the illness, just more likely to die if you do. And OP was asking about number of cases, not number of deaths.


juicyfruits_

Please see argument with dependent-cream


[deleted]

I just did, and you lost that argument.


juicyfruits_

I don’t think so. I didn’t really argue with him


[deleted]

You had multiple comments removed for incivility. If you were truly winning the argument I don't think you would have found the need to insult people.


juicyfruits_

I can troll you too if you want


[deleted]

>I can troll you too if you want I don't really care if you do, but to be honest I'd prefer if you went away.


Seanblaze3

These trolls do love to be fed. Don't do it


juicyfruits_

You don’t have to reply lol.


juicyfruits_

And you should get your facts straight he insulted me first several times


[deleted]

>And you should get your facts straight he insulted me first several times That's the logic of a six-year-old. You're responsible for your own words and actions no matter what others do, unless you're a child or mentally incapacitated.


juicyfruits_

Okay. Lol. 🤪


juicyfruits_

Yeah I saw. Half of them got removed because I said boomer even though the other person was saying the same shit so that mod was biased


[deleted]

Ah yes, the real problem here is the mods. Of course.


Dependent-Cream

Show one set of "facts" you've given that have anything to do with what he said.


Dependent-Cream

They also can't afford to be tested. You can't trust the numbers coming out of a lot of the poorer countries at this point because unfortunately they can't get normal medical help and doctors so they are certainly not getting tested at this point. Also, your post doesn't make any sense. Being obese doesn't make it more likely you get the virus. This isn't zombieland.


juicyfruits_

Obesity = immunocompromised Coronavirus primarily causes severe symptoms for the immunocompromised. And they can get free tests from WHO Why would someone get tested if they only have a cough?


Dependent-Cream

Yeah. He said cases, not deaths. SO once again. What is your obesity statement relating to? And if a lot of these villages in poor parts of Africa don't even have doctors....who is giving them the tests? Who is getting the tests to them? They can't even get normal medicine on time so they are not getting tests from the WHO. Also I don't understand what your last statement is in relation to?


juicyfruits_

Okay. I’m not going to sit here and hold your hand and walk you through the very simply logic I used


Dependent-Cream

Yeah....because there is no logic. Seriously man you made yourself look silly because you thought you were being funny. But in reality your comment about obesity had nothing at all to do with the amount of cases of coronavirus in those countries. You literally have no logic to walk through and then you tried to act like you had "facts."


juicyfruits_

Lol. It is a fact that obesity is a first world privilege. And it’s also fact a large portion of severe COVID cases are from obese people. Look it up


juicyfruits_

Peep the last sentence bro


Dependent-Cream

You are really making yourself look foolish. Bro.


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Dependent-Cream

You responded to an internet stranger on an internet post and now you are surprised someone disagreed with you about your post that had nothing to do with anything. Interesting.


juicyfruits_

No. Im amuses at how you’re trying to attack me and belittle me and intimidate me with your “bro.” Lmao. Whatever dude. Lol. I don’t fucking care. I already said I wasn’t going to walk you through it. Which implies I don’t care enough And also you’re calling me silly and foolish. Nice. Very constructive throwing insults in your argument lmao


[deleted]

I'm not understanding this shit. A firefighter in my town tested positive for covid19 with no symptoms present. He is being told to quarantine for 14 days. His co-workers are being told that if they do not present symptoms that they can return to work on April 9th. Are they not being tested? Why was he tested? Also if the virus spreads asymptomatically like this why aren't more people being tested. This is so stupid. Couldnt his co-workers continue to spread the virus even if they do not present symptoms?


passfailboat

Yes. The CDC is woefully behind. A study in Wuhan indicated that 79% of new infections came from asymptomatic carriers. So people who don't know they are sick and have no symptoms are driving the majority of spread, including potentially his coworkers who may not show symptoms for u to 14 days after exposure. It's beyond stupid. Everyone should be wearing a mask. Period.


codesfeedcars

They can't test more people, simple as that. They are already at max capacity.


[deleted]

> Couldnt his co-workers continue to spread the virus even if they do not present symptoms? Yes. You're right that this is a risk, but with no testing, there's not much for people to do right now. The US bungled this royally.


beats_working_

Same thing is going on in Canada.. person is sick and has Covid and yet NO testing for co-workers or people close to them unless they cannot breath.


punishedpat76

10 million jobs lost in 2 weeks. A self imposed Great Depression. Absolute madness.


georgiedawn

It would have happened even without the orders. NYC was already seeing reduced restaurant traffic and other things as cases increased. People get scared to go out when many people are dying.


passfailboat

Self-imposed in the fact that we did not act like South Korea did and aggressively test and contain. We got our first case the same day they did. They went to work right away, while we sat on our hands and worried it might impact the stock market. Guess which method actually fared better economically.


Earth_Is_Getting_Hot

Better than one caused by nature? People are dying.


punishedpat76

Not nearly as many lives are being ruined.


Earth_Is_Getting_Hot

We can recover an economy. We cannot recover lost lives. Get your head out of your ass.


punishedpat76

I don’t think you know what a Great Depression means.


Earth_Is_Getting_Hot

I have read the history books. I planted my garden last week. Stop being a prick and let's all work together. Things will be hard. But if we dont work to quickly contain it will cost us things that cannot be replaced. Listen to trump daddy.


punishedpat76

One of 3 applies to you, I guarantee it: 1. Someone else financially supports you, 2. you’re wealthy or 3. You haven’t lost your job (yet).


Earth_Is_Getting_Hot

I haven't lost my job. I sell groceries. Stay the fuck home and keep your toxic sentiments to yourself. The faster everyone complies, the faster we get through. Even if I had lost my job I'd know this is the right thing. This isn't a hoax, people are dying. But there will be rebuilding after this so it's not all doom and gloom. Quit being selfish, let's work together.


punishedpat76

I never said it was a hoax. I said you never completely shut down an economy for any reason. We should be attempting a middle ground and isolating the most vulnerable. More would die, unfortunately, but the amount of lives we are ruining by going down this path is magnitudes greater. I don’t think you comprehend that.


Earth_Is_Getting_Hot

We need good testing to do that effectively. We don't have that yet. I agree that would be better, but unfortunately without real time insight we cant. It's too infectious and mortality rate high. I'm sorry you've lost something in this already, and will likely suffer for a while, but this too shall pass. And if you legit need food dm me.


MachoBrizzin

So I could use some help. My girlfriend's grandmother became hospitalized a few weeks ago due to complications unrelated to the virus (she's 92). She's located in Minnesota, and most of her family flew out to see her (pretty much everyone except for my girlfriend). My girl's sister was among those who went, and she interacted with a family member there who was not feeling well. When she returned here to Michigan, she started feeling ill as well. She got tested and was found to be positive with the virus. So was the other family member. Obviously that's how she got it. My girlfriend doesn't live with her sister, thankfully, and hadn't seen her at all since before she left for Minnesota. Until a few days ago. You see, her sister was found to be positive on the 22nd. She endured it at home in quarantine until the 27th. She had apparently been asymptomatic for 72 hours by then. She was cleared by the hospital, so she then surprised my girlfriend with a visit on Monday the 30th, who then came to see me yesterday. It just seems like it all happened way too quickly. From the time she tested positive to the time she became asymptomatic was less than four days. Now I understand that she could have been infected for much time before she was initially tested. But I'm just concerned that she went out and saw my girlfriend *far* too soon after recovery that maybe she was just feeling asymptomatic but still infected, therefore passing it onto my girlfriend, who then probably would have passed it onto me. The reason why I'm unsure is because when I say that she was "cleared" by the hospital, there was no second test that was done. They were just like "Well, you've been asymptomatic for 72 hours, you're all good." And no additional testing. ***No proof.*** That's what terrifies me. She insists she's okay and my girlfriend insists it too. They both have more knowledge of the medical field than I do (the sister works as a nurse). But still. Just doesn't sit well. Please share your thoughts! I hope this post made sense. Should we get tested? I'm not even sure we'd be able to if I tried since things are so bad here in Michigan (we're all in the Grand Rapids area).


haltiamreptar1222

according to [CDC](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/steps-when-sick.html): * People **with COVID-19 who have stayed home (home isolated)** can stop home isolation under the following conditions: * ***If you will not have a test*** to determine if you are still contagious, you can leave home after these three things have happened: * You have had no fever for at least 72 hours (that is three full days of no fever without the use medicine that reduces fevers) AND * other symptoms have improved (for example, when your cough or shortness of breath have improved) AND * at least 7 days have passed since your symptoms first appeared * ***If you will be tested*** to determine if you are still contagious, you can leave home after these three things have happened: * You no longer have a fever (without the use medicine that reduces fevers) AND * other symptoms have improved (for example, when your cough or shortness of breath have improved) AND you received two negative tests in a row, 24 hours apart. Your doctor will follow [CDC guidelines](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/disposition-in-home-patients.html). Back to me: The US has been handling this very poorly. If I were you, I would assume you've been exposed to the virus and limit all non-essential contact and self-monitor for symptoms for 2 weeks (ideally the end of the month as is US guidance for everyone pretty much). If you're leaving the home, wear masks (homemade if possible b/c of supply shortage) to not possible spread virus to others. But yeah, this really sucks dude I'm sorry. The US bungled this real bad, although every country is struggling, ours is causing a lot of unnecessary causalities and making this extremely messy for everyone. Disclaimer: I am not a doctor or public health official


[deleted]

You still shed virus for weeks after your symptoms diminish. This is not the flu. This idiot girl (and her idiot medical practitioners) are actively spreading the virus and now your girlfriend has been exposed. You can try to get tested but nobody will test you until you are in bad shape.


ElJacinto

How and where are people still getting infected? Aside from getting groceries (and keeping my distance there), we haven't left our house in a little over three weeks now. I hope that doesn't come across as a stupid question. I don't really know what's happening out in the world right now.


passfailboat

I would say the majority of people are ignoring the measures or are unable to comply. We are engaged in half-measures.


[deleted]

There are still plenty of people that have to go to work. Grocery store clerks, UPS drivers, nursing home workers, power plant personnel, water treatment personnel, etc. They continue to get exposed and spread the disease.


FriendOfDrBob

Being able to stay home is still a privilege that isn’t afforded to everyone.


breezyboo49

Sorry if it's been posted or linked. I'm not the best at navigating Reddit. I'm trying to put together a timeline of events (examples, when cases were first found in each country, when shut downs or shelter in place were announced, ect). If anyone has sources that include dates of major events involving COVID-19, it would be greatly appreciated.


Izucram

There's some graphs of the progression of the disease with the Johns Hopkins Resource Center: [https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html](https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html)


DaphneDK42

[Low rate of #tobacco smokers among patients with #coronavirus](https://twitter.com/KlausKblog/status/1245544033272938496). Smoking gives protection from Corona? I wonder if this is true (of course, smoking is likely to be more harmful than Corona anyway). I remember there were some speculation that the much higher proportion of males dying in China, was because more men than women smokes.


breezyboo49

Smokers are more likely to have a severe case of COVID-19, see video [Dr. Mike video - 3 minutes 22 seconds ](https://youtu.be/hMopOpiNB1s)


Izucram

I think this is maybe wishful thinking feeding into the idea that some british-american tobacco company is coming up with a vaccine (which I doubt). That's just my guess tho


afd1314

\-US resident- Will I be getting a relief check if I received about all of my taxes back in returns in the years prior? I only made about $10000 last year. My dad wasn't sure if I would be getting one but I couldn't find any reason I shouldn't online. He just heard something on the news about it.


Hamishart

https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/economic-impact-payments-what-you-need-to-know


FriendOfDrBob

If you made $10,000 you will get check. If you add a zero to that number you won’t


afd1314

Thanks for the info


MoronHunter

Wherever you are, keep safe. ❤️


udongo1

COVID-19 CASE SUMMARY IN NIGERIA AS AT APRIL 1ST 2020 https://youtu.be/7WeFjO0S9hE


Sir_Talksalots

Am trying to find information on , what happens after covid-19 ?. Meaning , lets say i get it and recover , can i get it again ? ....if so how quickly can i get it back ?. Its hard to imagine a world where you can get Covid-19 repeatedly . Ive lived in multiple countries now , it is really easy to socially distance yourself in some BUT VERY HARD to do it in many other countries (like China and India for example ) . Even if you socially Distance yourself , what about contact from "Goods" that gets handled by a lot of people and is essential commodity to live , what about fruits , vegetables and grains ......wash them ? , wash them with boiling water? , wash them with soap ? ...... What about milk ? , meat products ........ will "cooking" them solve the problem ?


[deleted]

So far the only thing we know about repeated exposure is that rhesus monkeys who contracted the disease were not able to contract it again 30 days later. We need to wait for more time to pass to get more information.


FriendOfDrBob

There are no definitive answers yet. There are assumptions based on past experiences with similar diseases that lead some to speculate that there is a window where people are immune. But again, this is so new and people are scrambling so fast that many of these questions have no real answers, they are just assumptions and a little hope


Hamishart

It is pretty definitive that you can not get it again, at least in the short term. I believe all the claims of reinfection have been false positives based on fragments of the virus still being detectable as the body is shedding them which can take some time. How long that immunity might last is a guess, could be months could be forever, no one knows.


FriendOfDrBob

I gladly stand corrected. Thanks, that actually is really good news to here. Gives me a little more hope


tsrzero

It would be nice if hospitals could release a map depicting the places people have been buying their groceries/medicine/other essentials with the reported start of symptoms after going to those places. Every public place should be treated like a virus-infected hotbed, but I'm sure there are some grocery stores, gas stations, and pharmacies that are contributing to the incidence of disease much more than others if we plot the descriptive statistics.


AlRedditore

It would be a nice if there was an app or bracelet that glowed red when there was a high probability that the virus was present, either because someone with a high probability of being infected is nearby, or because they were there and touched something.Having 1-bit data like this might be anonymous enough that it would not set off any privacy concerns...and thus could be a socially acceptable use of surveillance technology.It would also allow us to use imprecise data, such as "this person has a high probability of being infected" rather than relying on the current methods where we operate either with 100% certainty (only tracking known cases) or 100% uncertainty (just assume everyone is infected and keep your distance).


tsrzero

Israel has been using GPS to determine if people have been in contact with someone infected. Heard about that last week and thought that was a pretty neat, I wonder how their rates are


Gusion109

The Xi Jinping Virus is just something that is nothing to me. Pathetically low death rate. Not even scared of it at all. Don't know why so many people act like pussies with social distancing.


Rocklobster92

You should go volunteer at the hospital, champ.


Demon997

I wonder if it would be possible to inoculate like they did with smallpox? Obviously it’s by no means an ideal solution, but if it’s a respiratory virus, introducing a small amount into the blood stream seems like a better chance than waiting for a potential high dose infection. Might need to wait for the first wave of cases to go down before it’s worth trying, to avoid further overwhelming the medical system.


chumpess

There is a video on YouTube that Philip DeFranco put out about 10 days ago, briefly describing how various companies and/or countries are going about making a vaccine. It includes possible timelines, and is by no means a full resource, but a decent jumping point to looking at what’s being trialed and/or created thus far.


Demon997

I’m not talking about a vaccine though, I’m talking about inoculation. What they did with smallpox was rub pus into a cut on the arm. The virus preferred to enter the body via the respiratory system, so when a small amount entered via the bloodstream the body had a much better shot. You’d still have a case, but it would almost always be mild. They did that for a century or so before they worked out a vaccine.


chumpess

Hrm.. interesting. I hadn’t heard this before. I can see the logic though. I now have yet another thing to google and follow down the rabbit hole.


Demon997

The history of smallpox treatment is fascinating. I can recommend some books if you’re interested. I googled and didn’t see anything, please let me know if you find anything. I’m going to ask around some. I suspect there’s some reason it’s a terrible idea, but on the other hand it’s also the sort of idea that modern medicine would discard out of hand, thinking of it as medical history. But we’re in an unprecedented situation.


chumpess

Book recommendations always welcome. I’ll let you know if I find anything decent on the subject, but I’m unlikely to come across anything if you’ve been unsuccessful.


Demon997

I’d recommend Angel of Death by Gareth Williams and Smallpox: the death of a disease by D.A. Henderson. Both good reads. I think the former covers more of the early history, whereas the latter deals with the eradication efforts that finally killed it (outside of bioweapons labs!). I literally did a single google search, so I’m not saying it’s not there.


chumpess

I had a little look last night. I’m in Australia, and we’ve had some amazing immunologists/scientists over the years make some groundbreaking discoveries (ie Peter Doherty, Sir Frank Macfarlane Burnet) in the field. I’ll definitely look into those books. I touched on immunology a little when I studied Nursing (I am not a nurse, however. Long story, nothing salacious), but clearly didn’t get into the nitty gritty enough to understand the difference between vaccination and inoculation. I always found it interesting though, and considered getting into the Pathology field before life took me on another path. It’ll be good to sink my teeth into a few books while I have the time. Thanks!


Demon997

Awesome, glad you’re getting some reading out of it. I really enjoyed both of them. Both readings for an infectious disease class, I can recommend some more if you’re interested. Mountains beyond Mountains is especially good.


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The fact that “COVID-19” is being used where “SARS-CoV-2” should be used in the media really shows how useless they are at getting the details right. Anyone else feel this way?


Blackintosh

What's the difference? Is one the name of the virus and one the name of the disease it causes?


[deleted]

Yes. It's like the difference between HIV and AIDS. But for the most part, it doesn't matter for colloquial usage.


Willrunforicecream7

Yes, sort of like HIV/AIDS.


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[deleted]

If they're going to pretend to be the all-knowing and best source of information, as they like to do, then maybe they should concern themselves with getting the terms right. But let's face it, the media isn't about informing people as much as it is about getting eyeballs on their articles in order to sell ads


JuxtaThePozer

Absolutely!


fleury_cybs

A record number of 6,648,000 people filed initial unemployment claims in the last week of March, shattering the record number for the second week in a row. This will eventually hit the market!


Commyende

Market is down 25%+ over the last 2 months. I think eventually already happened. May get worse from here, but the market already priced in the expectation of extremely high unemployment.


fleury_cybs

You’re absolutely correct. Keeping fingers across!


Swbf2player

Can anyone confirm china's coronavirus numbers?


mystandtrist

Nope because China won’t release accurate numbers


GingerBeardedViking

China, and they'll never do it publicly.


Morronz

Spain is pretty fucked up right? The +4k recoveries are an insane number if you look at the rest of the data, are they recovery or just people dismissed from hospital (either because they can't do anything for them or they need to treat worse patients, not because of negative results)?


Commyende

Recovery numbers are largely useless. Very different standards in what constitutes "recovered" and many places don't keep track of the outcomes of mild cases.


indianrecipeinfo

Wearing face mask is not mandatory if you do not have covid19. But when you're going to the masses then it is mandatory.


musicrepublic

I tried publishing this but I guess it's against the rules or something. I made a website with all the analysis regarding the coronavirus. You can get in depth info about the world, or any country. [www.coronalysis.info](https://www.coronalysis.info) if you have any features you would like to see just comment it and i'll get working! I hope this can help you guys out and give you some certainty in this time of uncertainty! Take care and stay safe everyone


travis_s

You should make this a secure site if you expect anyone to visit it and trust that it’s secure. Purchase a cheap SSL certificate and install it on your server.


musicrepublic

Great point, just added one. In any case though, there is 0 user input of any data, it's purely informative. But yes you are right and I have added it, should be visible in the next few hours. Thanks


ss10163

Is it safe to go in the empty elevator of my apartment building? Or is there a large risk that someone coughed or sneezed before I got on and I could inhale it?


ToolBoxArt

My house is running out of food and we wont get paid for about a week more, is it safe to go out to a fast food chain and get something to eat? Like mcdonalds?


[deleted]

My two cents - Buy a bag of potatoes or beans. They are also very inexpensive and will do you more good than fast food and staying in decent health is important.


ToolBoxArt

Actually, potatoes sound good and they're not too expensive, thank you!


savage_dragn

McDonald’s isn’t free. Is it cheaper to eat there than to get groceries?


ToolBoxArt

For me it is, it actually makes me feel a bit sick, so eating 3, dollar menu hamburgers can make me last the rest of the day.


MrsMainch

I almost had a panic attack going to the grocery store for my mother in law the other day. My stomach was in knots and I was on the verge of a full blown panic attack. People at the store were definitely not trying to stay 6 ft apart and that made my anxiety through the roof but I would definitely not eat at McDonald's now if I were you. Look up a video on YouTube about how McDonald's workers can't afford to take time off so they come to work vomiting, having diarrhea, blowing their nose and sneezing and coughing. It's mind blowing.


savage_dragn

It’s like that in MANY industries. That’s not unique to McDonalds at all. Whoever is posting content like that is focusing on McDonalds for personal or political reasons. I worked in sit down restaurants for 8 years. You think I was making enough money to skip a weekend shift just cuz I felt bad?


ami_goingcrazy

Yes it's safe. Don't eat anything until it's unwrapped onto a different container and you've washed your hands.


ami_goingcrazy

6.6M filed for unemployment last week. ouch


dustnbonez

Where are my nurses at? I was just told today at my Hospital that a surgical mask is going to be standard PPE when going into rooms with clients who have Covid-19. I asked why an n95 wasn't going to be standard and was told the virus is not aerosolized and droplet precautions meaning a surgical mask was sufficient. I dont want to over react here but i have suspicions they are wrong.


Hamishart

Well, it certainly can be aerosolized I don't think there's any dispute on that point. We don't know how transmittable it is in aerosol form, it's clearly nowhere close to measles but maybe more so than other flus Here's a paper comparing it to SARS. Seems to be about the same. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973


-_-A-_-J-_-

We ran out of N95s. So ... have to tell us something. Most of us are just reusing N95s and hoping we've already had it.


dustnbonez

So your reusing n95s which I think is better than using a surgical mask. Does your hospital advise you to wear surgical masks and state that is sufficient or are they advising n95s?


-_-A-_-J-_-

Yup. Surgical masks are sufficient is the PR line now. They are also trying to get N95 sterilization stuff in order so we can officially reuse N95s.


dustnbonez

Why are they stocking up on n95 masks if they don't need to be used? Why get n95 sterilization if you don't need an n95 mask. Surgical masks are cheap pieces of shit. They can make those in truck loads no problem. I have read with previous SARS on the CDC website that surgical masks seemed to be advised which makes me think surgical masks are sufficient here. Unfortunately, I can not find out how small they have found covid-19 to be, how long it can stay suspended in the air before dropping down and if a surgical mask protects you from the size of the particles. I also question if social distancing is so important and this virus spreads so easily how a simple surgical mask will protect you from those particles. Rant done. Thx for the convo.


-_-A-_-J-_-

All of that tells me they think we still need n95 but don't want us to all walk off the job. I'm as confused as you are. Hence why I'm still wearing an n95. And why I have been whenever I went to the grocery store for the past month.


dustnbonez

Whatever your doing. Your awesome. Thx.


-_-A-_-J-_-

Hey thanks. Medic in NJ.


dustnbonez

Community Mental Health Nurse in Ontario.