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Would you consider Social Corporatism the main factor behind Scandanavia's success?

Would you consider Social Corporatism the main factor behind Scandanavia's success?

scody15

Ew no. Scandinavian nations got wealthy using free markets and have been slowly pissing it away for decades.


Dumbass1171

Sweden has actually become more free market as time has gone on


Frixinator

I feel its more like a sine wave. They get more socialist and thus more poor. Then some day they need to counteract that and free markets and thus get wealthy again. And when they are wealthy, they go more socialist again and thus more poor etc.


scody15

Tom disagrees. [Link](http://www.tomwoods.com/717) [Link](http://www.tomwoods.com/523)


thelawlessatlas

Can you really call countries with some of the lowest corporate tax rates in the western world social corporatists?


GerbilPenisToucher

What are you getting at?


thelawlessatlas

I'm just saying that in Scandinavia you have countries with some of the lowest corporate tax rates in the western world with some of the highest individual tax rates so to suggest that they live in some kind of marxist utopia with zero class struggle there is a bit absurd.


skylercollins

How do you know that they are having success?


GerbilPenisToucher

Out of the entire world, Scandanavia is the happiest, most business-friendly, highest social mobility, least poverty, least corrupt, most free, highest safety net... the list just goes on.


No_Paleontologist504

When the competition is that low, it's not surprising.


CommonWild

>happiest No. [https://nypost.com/2015/01/11/sorry-liberals-scandinavian-countries-arent-utopias/](https://nypost.com/2015/01/11/sorry-liberals-scandinavian-countries-arent-utopias/) Also, most of the things progressive like to say about Nordic countries (low poverty, high rankings on social issues, low crime, low inequality) existed before their welfare states.


skylercollins

And there's no economic, financial, psychological, or otherwise *rot* beneath the surface?


Prize1376

They only think they are happy because they were trained to think being a child, a ward of the state, all of their lives is normal. They never actually do one of the last steps young men are supposed to do. Move out from under their mothers care and take care of themselves. Pay their own way. What they are really doing is a lateral move and swapping their parents roof for the nanny states roof. Basically, the "men" there are all beta males and dont have to take charge of their lives, as you described, like men should do. Also, they are all white and are nowhere near as diverse as the US. If you want to do apples to apples compare US Scandinavians to them. For Men in the US it's God then country. For Scandinavians it is other males taking care of them and thinking for them that are their God.


mowza

This is the most embarrassing thing I’ve read in quite some time. Holy shit.


Prize1376

Where am I wrong?


NeverForgetEver

You unironically used to words beta male for one lmao


Prize1376

If you have never seen someone weaker than you guess where you are on the hierarchy?


NeverForgetEver

What the fuck does this even mean, what kind of cringelord do you have to be to think like this


Prize1376

> If you have never seen someone weaker than you guess where you are on the hierarchy?


NeverForgetEver

News flash, people aren’t obsessed with hierarchies and dont try to place themselves in one with every new person they meet.


Then_Piano_7103

No.


mrhymer

What you are describing is not corporatism. State planning of corporate wages is fascism. Corporatism is the organization of a society into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and exercising control over persons and activities within their jurisdiction. Scandanavian countries are all capitalist democratic republics where the people vote for representation to government independent of corporation.


PurpleFleyd

>Essentially, Scandanavian nations are Social Corporatist No? We (Sweden) have a strong public sector with a few state owned companies but it's mostly private sector. >Wages are negotiated by representatives of employers and employees all planned out by the state. That's called a union. Which we have quite a few of and they're pretty powerful. The wages aren't planned out by the state though. At least not in Sweden.


GerbilPenisToucher

Ooh, that's pretty interesting!


thatmman

Success? As opposed to when? It has made their economies worse off actually. Their cost of living is higher proportionate to their wages when compared to the USA. I have a friend that moved to Norway, because he thought it would be this great socialist utopia. He got there, and now struggles to save money to come home due to the cost of living. Getting there as a student with a part time job to go there was easier.


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PurpleFleyd

>They were fucking Vikings. The vikings aren't exactly libertarian role models. >And in 50 years those nations will be ruled by Syria, Iraq, Iran, and Somalia. They lost. There was a war, and the people of those countries didn't even know they were fighting one. And the worst part is that many of them were fighting for the wrong side and didn't even know it. I am not a "Nationalist" by any means. But To see an entire culture crumble in my lifetime is sad. Just stop. Our culture isn't dying or crumbling. Immigrants aren't taking over. Stop it with the alarmist bullshit.


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PurpleFleyd

What is it about then?


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PurpleFleyd

That's some conspiracy shit. My local culture is very much alive.


Lanky-Aioli-8451

Why do you care? Historically, Cultures change over time. The flexibility of Western Culture is its strength. The reason the West conquered the world is because it subsumed all the great ideas in its path and constantly shed the chains of tradition. Live YOUR life and don't complicate others.


mrhymer

>Essentially, Scandanavian nations are Social Corporatist. Wages are negotiated by representatives of employers and employees all planned out by the state. What is your source for this?


GerbilPenisToucher

Wikipedia


mrhymer

OK Then.